tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post1836232904814622363..comments2024-03-28T19:25:37.448-04:00Comments on Betrayed Wives' Club: What Does She Have? Nothing You Would Want...Ellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comBlogger127125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-36616048364244130342020-03-31T11:32:16.751-04:002020-03-31T11:32:16.751-04:00"She was available". She shouldn't h..."She was available". She shouldn't have made herself available. She was/is a married woman. There are plenty of divorced guys she could have gone after. She wanted the challenge. She saw we had a good marriage and knew he was a good man. He wasn't looking for an affair. He had an old gf who had contacted him and told him he was the one who got away. He didn't go meet her because he knew he couldn't trust himself to act on old feelings. The whore knew this because he made the mistake of talking to her about it instead of me. He saw the whore as a friend, wanted a female opinion. Little did he know she had targeted him from the year before and now had found her opening. The night she threw herself at him, he said it was the old gf he was kissing, not the whore. He had never been attracted to her before. That night, he told her it could never happen again. Then the dopamine set in and he wanted more...True_Love_91https://www.blogger.com/profile/06233016784288941931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-85128844032801038162018-06-26T17:18:19.447-04:002018-06-26T17:18:19.447-04:00Wow! I always wondered what it was that led him to...Wow! I always wondered what it was that led him to have the affair. He once told me she made him feel desirable because she didn't have to be with him. She was married and a coworker. He too said he was chasing happiness. You really gave me the answer I still long for...she was available, she was a willing participant, she was willing to lie, she responded. That is all that it was. If not her, it would have been somebody else who was willing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-2585628636859720082016-01-12T12:37:12.275-05:002016-01-12T12:37:12.275-05:00Karey,
I'm so sorry for what you've gone t...Karey,<br />I'm so sorry for what you've gone through and for the pain you're still in. A friend of mine once cried on my shoulder that the woman who broke up her marriage was going to be tucking in her son with bedtime and stories and he'd never know. Years later, she's remarried, her ex is still with the OW and she's long past any pain. However, it took a lot of time.<br />More than that, though, it takes effort to let go of the OW and the notion that she "won" anything. Relationships are hard work, even good ones. Especially good ones. You're clinging to something that's gone and I think you'd do well to figure out what you're clinging to. What does this woman represent to you? When, in your past, can you remember this feeling of being cheated out of something that you felt was yours. Often, when time isn't working its magic by untangling us from the past, it's because something from long ago is keeping us tethered there, something that we haven't yet resolved.<br />If you're not in therapy, I would encourage you to find someone to help you untether yourself. You're no longer with a guy who cheated on you. That could be cause for celebration. And though you haven't found anyone else, it nonetheless sounds as if you have a rich, full life in which you can pursue anything that intrigues you. I think any time our response to something feels "stuck", it often has more to do with something long in our past. Not always but it's worth exploring. <br />I hope you can find peace around this. You deserve to move forward with hope.Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-82321764891197492016-01-11T22:10:40.385-05:002016-01-11T22:10:40.385-05:00Larry
You know sometimes I think they make a choic...Larry<br />You know sometimes I think they make a choice of the least resistance. That's not to say you weren't worth it. It's just saying it was easier to go the other way. With the OW. She did a better sell job?? Don't know. Whatever it was that made him decide your self worth or value is not measured by him. He is not the Karey barometer! Who knows what influenced his decision making. Human nature is comprised of many idoiosyncricies right? I know in my case it could have just as easily gone the same direction. All I know is reconciliation is not for the faint of heart. Not that you are faint of heart. Reconciliation is a long and arduous journey and sometimes I do wonder if it was worth it. Would time spent working on me and only me and not my marriage and relationship would have been time better spent? I'll never know :). We did reconcile and I can't say for sure my life is better than what yours will be. All I know is after betrayal everything is shit. Sure you can make the best of a bad situation and read everything you get your hands on to heal yourself, your marriage, your relationships with others.. you name it. All I know is life is never the same. You are never the same. Makes no difference if you've reconciled or divorced. What I do know for damn sure is your value and self worth is NOT diminished because of his choices. You had no contribution to his choices. That's all on him. But what is imperative is for you to find, know and recognize your value. Your value is NOT tied to him. Your value is yours and no one takes that away. <br /><br />I know were I in your place dating would be on the back burner until I could sort myself out. Of course no one is "worthy". You haven't figured your own worth out yet. Doesn't mean you can't find someone to have fun with. This isn't a race right? And she won nothing. She won a lying cheater. Big deal. That's nothing but second or third place. She found herself a loser. She will end up losing too. Eventually. <br /><br />I hope you will find your true value and not some perceived value that is tied up in being Mrs So and So. You hang on and quit giving him so much power. You're going to be fine. You can be better than fine. You can be greatTryingHardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598084690617343428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-18945009069188180982016-01-11T19:04:33.436-05:002016-01-11T19:04:33.436-05:00Hi Karey..
I'm saddened to read your post, and...Hi Karey..<br />I'm saddened to read your post, and I'm so sorry for what has happened to you. Can I respectfully ask you what the OW really 'won?' Is you former husband some sort if prize, a trophy perhaps? Remember the famous words of Dr. Phil... "If he'll do it with you, he'll do it to you"... a rather clear message to many desperate other women out there. As for you feeling that maybe she 'won over' your children, she will never ever be their mother no matter what!!! Please keep believing in yourself and know that the pain will lessen. I'll be thinking if you. God Bless. SomewhereOutTherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10330914210741102297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-21774685746923885612016-01-11T13:44:38.505-05:002016-01-11T13:44:38.505-05:00And then there are those of us who can say all of ...And then there are those of us who can say all of the above is true, but were still left for the OW. I am over two years past D-Day, and over a year beyond him ending our marriage. I am healthier and stronger than I have ever been, and am clear I don't want him back. But he is with the OW. Living with her. My children are there with shared custody. They are taking a trip together next month. Despite the fact that I know I don't want him back, I can't get this woman out of my life. She still "won". How do you move on from that? How do you get to the point that the loss no longer tears you apart inside? I've dated, but met no one worthy of "more"... I am growing and learning and finding my way, but still, I hurt and am angry. He didn't see my value or the value of our lives together. He was scared to lose me and yet chose her. I simply do not know how to see that as anything other than a devaluation of me, even knowing that isn't true.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12752442986024795854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-59633077338033096282015-12-26T09:55:10.909-05:002015-12-26T09:55:10.909-05:00Elle
We had a wonderful Christmas Eve at church. O...Elle<br />We had a wonderful Christmas Eve at church. Our daughter became engaged before the service and we were thrilled to meet his parents! It was the sweetest proposal I have ever seen. We had our grandsons for Christmas Day and of course this was wonderful! I feel so blessed this year when I look back at where we were last year! Thank you for all you do with this blog!Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11767712425596090138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-18773952496280154712015-12-25T22:41:38.973-05:002015-12-25T22:41:38.973-05:00Merry Christmas to you too Theresa. Hope it has be...Merry Christmas to you too Theresa. Hope it has been a good day.Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-68389320268474058262015-12-23T23:41:07.450-05:002015-12-23T23:41:07.450-05:00Elle
Thank you so much for placing the ow for ever...Elle<br />Thank you so much for placing the ow for everyone on this hurtful path to the realization that she really meant nothing! I hope all of Us can realize we mean everything! Hugs and Merry Christmas!Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11767712425596090138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-82247930309335330502015-12-14T21:25:18.312-05:002015-12-14T21:25:18.312-05:00OW,
You said nothing about seeking support here bu...OW,<br />You said nothing about seeking support here but rather expressed a desire for advice about how to proceed re. the wife of the man who continued to contact you. <br />What's more, I don't recall you noting your own experience of being cheated on. <br />If you had made clear that you were looking for support, I would have told you straightaway that this was the wrong place. You know these are women who have been deeply wounded by the behaviour of women like you who have knowingly had affairs with married men (and don't think for a second that the men are off the hook. We hold them far more accountable than we hold you.). But to anticipate support makes clear, again, that you have very little understanding of the specific brand of pain that betrayal brings and our healthy need to protect ourselves from people who will hurt us further in any way. <br />Nobody should ever have to bury a child and I'm so sorry you've had to. I know there are groups of people who share your experience and it makes sense, if you haven't already reached out, to find them and share your sorrow there.<br />OW, there is support available for you if you want it. But it's not here. I sincerely hope you want better for yourself. Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-12621160603850028242015-12-14T17:57:19.401-05:002015-12-14T17:57:19.401-05:00OWFAW. You owe NO apologies to me. I took NO offe...OWFAW. You owe NO apologies to me. I took NO offense at what you said. You asked our advice/opinion, you got it. Candid and unedited. I won't pretend for one minute that I can associate or condone your actions. I feel sorry for you though. Hurt people hurt people. You're no different. <br /><br />Do I judge you, yes I do. You are wrong on so many levels. I believe the only right way for you is if you have an idea, it's a bad one. Don't do it. <br /><br />Look this place is not the same as cheater sites. I've read those and you all hold hands, sing Coomb Bay Ya and wax all pietic about your cheater married men/soul mates. You will never get that here. We call bullshit when we see it. <br /><br />You can talk and explain your story and we don't care. It's all bullshit as far as we are concerned and we are right!!! <br /><br />Do I think you are beyond redemption. Hell no. I think you believe you are beyond redemption and don't deserve a nice life. You my dear are your own worst enemy, not us:)<br /><br />I am sorry you lost your child. I'm sure you hurt bad from that. As a mother my heart aches for you. <br /><br />I still stand by my original answer to your question. Tell the wife. This guy is toxic and she has a right to know. <br /><br />Good luck to you. I will keep you and your soul in my prayersTryingHardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598084690617343428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-90313330162763082612015-12-14T15:47:22.053-05:002015-12-14T15:47:22.053-05:00Amen, Amen, Amen!!!!
There is NO romance in any...Amen, Amen, Amen!!!! <br /><br />There is NO romance in any of this shit show that I can see. If that's romance and soulmate--NO THANK YOU!! <br /><br />I'd get more romance from watching CAT VIDEOS if that's my choice!TryingHardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598084690617343428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-30007330697233787182015-12-14T15:30:53.542-05:002015-12-14T15:30:53.542-05:00I really don't know why I chose to find suppor...I really don't know why I chose to find support here instead of another group. I guess after 20 years of being cheated on, I was just more drawn here. My last post was rude and insensitive. This weekend was the one month anniversary of losing my baby boy after a very long battle with a rare genetic disorder, and I simply felt alone. I guess as his heart stopped beating, so did mine. I am sorry for the hurt I caused and wish you all well. I made the wrong choice in seeking understanding with a married man, and likewise, it was wrong for me to look for comfort here. Best of wishes to you all. The Other Woman For a Yearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-83316377940817669382015-12-14T15:17:42.621-05:002015-12-14T15:17:42.621-05:00Your words again helped me with understanding the ...Your words again helped me with understanding the ow in our muddy life! She had the attitude that the one that wants our advice. She sent texts telling us how hard a marriage is to recover from when we are still not willing to be honest with each other! I know h has told me the truth the way he felt when it started and when he stopped feeling anything for her except fear of her telling me.<br />She felt they were so special but now he feels nothing but pity for her and still feels the shame every day! Thank you Elle for showing me once again the perspective I need to keep on the ow and her truths!Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11767712425596090138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-72441849496663395102015-12-14T14:44:20.921-05:002015-12-14T14:44:20.921-05:00You are all correct. I have no words, except that ...You are all correct. I have no words, except that I am sorry. The Other Woman For a Yearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-33802102043753802062015-12-14T14:09:24.914-05:002015-12-14T14:09:24.914-05:00Somewhere,
Putting the affair dynamic in a nutshel...Somewhere,<br />Putting the affair dynamic in a nutshell can go a long way toward helping us recognize just how trite they are. Our culture tells us they're passionate and romantic and exciting, the same way our culture sells us the notion of the tortured artist who's somehow deeper than we are. It's bullshit. It's messy people living messy lives without the insight or desire to clean themselves up and start living lives of integrity. Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-34734254995937249042015-12-14T14:06:46.723-05:002015-12-14T14:06:46.723-05:00One more thing, TH: I'm happy to send my ironi...One more thing, TH: I'm happy to send my ironing along anyway! Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-10179846845083825882015-12-14T14:06:11.396-05:002015-12-14T14:06:11.396-05:00TH,
Yeah, I sometimes wish I could have Chump Lady...TH,<br />Yeah, I sometimes wish I could have Chump Lady's take-no-prisoners approach. But I don't necessarily think this OW believes she's smarter. I think she's just so mired in her own pain that there's no room to imagine anyone else's. Look at the humiliating things this guy had her doing. She's telling herself they were somehow kindred spirits rather than seeing the truly destructive and ugly nature of it. I don't think her way of thinking is particularly unusual. It's just very emotionally immature.Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-65872440503598195812015-12-14T11:52:08.611-05:002015-12-14T11:52:08.611-05:00OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! Elle... your response is spot...OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! Elle... your response is spot on!!! Thank you for putting this into an incredible perspective for me... one I can totally relate to. I loved this portion of the response, especially when you stated "Your affair wasn't different. Not at all. Affairs are two messy people seeking distraction and escape. That's it. And that's what you two had. Nothing more." <br />It so reminded me of my husband's sick and twisted emotional affair that went on for at least seven years. Your response was terrific and was exactly what I needed today. Thank you.SomewhereOutTherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10330914210741102297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-30928631484789521272015-12-14T10:47:42.592-05:002015-12-14T10:47:42.592-05:00Bravo Elle!!!! Will you please move to my town and...Bravo Elle!!!! Will you please move to my town and be my BFF forever :) I'll do all your ironing if you say yes!!<br /><br />Seriously, as usual you gave perfect advice. I don't know about the rest but I sincerely hope OWFAW takes her story to another site. She doesn't really want our advice. She wants to put us in our place. It's sad she comes here to do that. I gave her credit at first but as usual these anti-social personalities show their true colors and intentions. The thing is there's lots of OW/OM support out there. She must have some sadistic qualities to herself to come to a site like this. Actually I think I've seen her on other recovery sites. <br /><br />LOL where she really needs to go is the Chump Lady and tell her sad story. She would chew her up and spit her out and not in a nice way. This chick thinks she's smarter than all of us. We OWFAW you're def not. You're just another loser who chooses to wallow in the mud with creeps. I hope you have fun with that when you are a withered up old woman by yourself with nothing and no one to care about you.TryingHardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598084690617343428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-70643561155207580342015-12-14T10:37:21.396-05:002015-12-14T10:37:21.396-05:00Other Woman,
You know exactly what to do. That you...Other Woman,<br />You know exactly what to do. That you continue to come here and seek support tells me that you still have a long way to go to understand and respect boundaries. The women here are in agony. They have been betrayed by the one person who promised to never betray them. It's impossible to overstate just how deep a wound that creates. It's trauma. It bleeds into every other aspect of our lives. Our work suffers. Our ability to parent suffers. Our ability to be a friend suffers. We suffer.<br />Your affair wasn't different. Not at all. Affairs are two messy people seeking distraction and escape. That's it. And that's what you two had. Nothing more. It sounds as if you recognize that it was a sick relationship. Good. Cut him out of your life. You do not need "closure" -- that's total self-centred bullshit. Closure is walking away and shutting the door tight. Any contact with this man is serving some twisted need in both of you. Don't dress it up as if you two are emotional refugees. You're sick people who recognize someone who shares that sickness. If either of you was truly interested in healing, you would have done that and not simply fed your narcissism.<br />If he was truly your friend, he wouldn't have kept you hidden. Him "sharing his ugliness" with you wasn't about healing, it was about using you to help him stay ugly. The only healing that can possibly take place is when each of you fully owns up to the pain you've caused a totally innocent person (and kids, if there are any) and takes steps to ensure you never, ever do it to anyone again. <br />In the meantime, his wife is, as Trying Hard puts it, "fighting for her life with one hand tied behind her back." She is in shock. She is trying to digest that her entire relationship with this guy has been built on lies. I sincerely hope she dumps his sorry ass and builds a wonderful life without him. In the meantime, I hope she finds this site for support and compassion and clarity around how to move forward. <br />The single kindest thing you can do is never ever talk to this guy again and simply forward his texts, e-mails, messages, whatever to her so she can stay completely on top of what he's doing. When you hear that she's filed for divorce, you can stop. When she asks you to stop, stop. If you have any sincerity in your desire to know what we would want you to do, that's it. It's not asking much, given the destruction you've contributed to.<br />One more thing, Other Woman: I applaud your desire to "face your demons". But your letter reeks of self-absorption. You pay lip service to feeling badly about his wife but I don't honestly think you've managed to feel any real empathy for what she's going through. Whatever has happened to you in your life – and I don't doubt that you've experienced plenty of pain and trauma, and for that I'm genuinely sorry – was not her fault. She's terrified. She's devastated. She's traumatized. And she has to somehow pretend to the world that she's fine. Betrayal is hell. Don't give yourself more credit than you deserve for doing the right thing. You should have done it a long time ago. Ellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13470499558973726796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-4742574432545746532015-12-14T09:00:53.729-05:002015-12-14T09:00:53.729-05:00Elle. I can't wait to hear your response to th...Elle. I can't wait to hear your response to this question. :)TryingHardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598084690617343428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-3880877056573893772015-12-13T17:35:27.802-05:002015-12-13T17:35:27.802-05:00OW. Same answer. Tell her. This women is in a figh...OW. Same answer. Tell her. This women is in a fight for her life with one hand tied behind her back. Tell her everything and give proof. This guy is probably diseased and she has a right to know. As for you. I hope he leaves her and you two spill mates end up together. Sounds like a soulmate match made in hell. Have fun with that. YUK!!!TryingHardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598084690617343428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-76345972265397275712015-12-12T22:06:45.285-05:002015-12-12T22:06:45.285-05:00So, here is where I need some advice......
We had...So, here is where I need some advice......<br /><br />We had no contact for several weeks, just long enough for me to get my head on straight and get the strength to deal with my issues. Last weekend, he contacted me and we talked all throughout the week. This was something I knew I needed in order to have closure. I was clear with him and myself that in no way would we return to what we were doing before. He told his wife that at some point he would need to talk to me in order to get closure, but she has insisted that she will leave if he has any contact with me at all. I know many betrayed wives cant understand this need for closure, and it's certainly understandable that she insist on no contact. I understand the importance of no contact in order for their relationship to heal, and so I want you all to understand that I didn't take this light-heartedly. For reasons far more complicated than I can explain here, this closure was a necessary part of his and my healing process, not just from the affair, but healing from many other traumas in our lives, secrets we have only shared with each other. I know the affair mantra..."This is different. We are soulmates. This is true love." I understand the dynamics of affairs, the addiction, the fog....that lead people to feel this way. So I'm not going to try to convince you all that what we had was true love and that we were soulmates. BUT..... our affair WAS different.....not because I'm foolish enough to believe this, but because it's true. He and I share the same very dark demons that we have mastered hiding from the world. He is like me in having an incredible outer persona. But from the beginning he saw my demons and I saw his. And in order for either of us to heal, we needed to talk through this. The only way I can think to explain this is when two survivors of an extreme trauma find each other, they heal by talking through shared experiences. His excessive cheating and my acceptance of him was the result of similar early life trauma.<br /><br />The closure was good and healthy for me, but I have ended things now before they have a chance to return to the way they were. I have been going to therapy and learning to face my demons, and I am not afraid of walking away from him this time. He is also in therapy and is seriously committed to fixing himself. His priority now is himself, as it needs to be, whether he stays married or not. His wife will not understand his need for closure, because she knows nothing of all of his other battles. He has never shown her all of the ugliness inside him. I am certain he and I will continue to talk occasionaly throughout the years, but I am committed to causing no further damage for her. If it were up to him, he and I would still be sleeping together now, even while his wife believes he is "locked down." He will only tell her the truth when he has no other choice. He absolutely will continue to cheat on her, whether with me or with someone else. <br /><br />My question is this.....should I tell his wife about this week, or should I just let it go? What would you want? <br />The Other Woman For a Yearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026450255174007652.post-28912968261520470252015-12-12T22:06:28.102-05:002015-12-12T22:06:28.102-05:00Betrayed Spouses, I am reaching out to you all for...Betrayed Spouses, I am reaching out to you all for advice about my current situation. For part of my story, you can read my comments above. Here is more of the story and the part for which I need advice. <br /><br />When I chose to end the affair, I did so by telling his wife. She knew nothing about me, but had found some very incriminating evidence that he was having an affair. I had tried several times to end it, but was ultimately too weak to do it, and so I hurt another woman deeply in order to force her to do what her husband and I were ultimately too weak and selfish to do ourselves. I know that some women confess to the wife, in order to drive her away, but I did so with the opposite of intentions. My hope was that the man would hate me for ruining his life and that she would ensure we never spoke again. <br /><br />I told her everything. We slept together almost every day for an entire year. We texted all day, evening, and night.....hundreds of texts a day, including when he was on dates with her. I explained to her how we were able to do this without any suspicion from her. I told her that he repeatedly, many times a day, told me he loved me, called me his soulmate, spoke of marrying me and our future together. I told her that we went to strip clubs together and had threesomes. That I actively and regularly searched for other women for him, not just for threesomes, but for him to see separately from me. He slept with other women while we were together and slept with many women before me, including a 3 year affair who he still sees occasionally. He has been cheating on her throughout their entire marriage and while they were dating....for more than 15 years. She asked for proof of this, and I sent it to her. As you can imagine, she is completely devastated. I told her all of this, because I knew he would only confess when he had no other choice. I did apologize to her, and I am truly sorry, but that was not my reason for disclosure. I only told her, so that he would stay away from me. <br /><br />During this disclosure process, which took about a week, he continued to contact me every day, telling me he loved me and that we needed for things to calm down. He begged me to stop talking to his wife. But every time we talked, I turned around and told his wife, until he was afraid to contact me again. Looking back, I know what a horrible thing that was to do. I should've ignored his texts and moved on. I know that it was an awful thing to put the responsibility of this on his wife. Believe me, I understand the gravity of what I have done.The Other Woman For a Yearnoreply@blogger.com