Saturday, August 17, 2019

Guest Post: The Solace of Talking to Someone Who Regrets Cheating

by Chinook

Shortly after my husband and I separated, when I was still in the thick of the pain of his betrayal, I made a new friend. 

She and I just clicked in that unusual and delightful way that new friends can. I could tell she was a woman of strength, wisdom, creativity, and compassion—all the things I most admire.  

As we slowly got to know each other, I shared the fact that I had just separated, and that my husband had been unfaithful.

She met that information with deep compassion… and with something else that was very subtle and might have gone unnoticeable by anyone who wasn’t already in a hyperaware state. She told me how sorry she was that I was going through this. She admitted that her marriage had been through difficult patches when her children were young, and that time is a great healer. She cautioned that you never know what someone is capable of until their back is against the wall. 

I already had my suspicions when, with great trepidation, she eventually confessed to me that many years ago, during a time of strife in her marriage, when her children were as young as mine are now, she had an emotional affair and was caught. What she described (motivation, rationalization, outcome) sounded very similar to my husband’s physical affair.

My new friend was concerned that this information would cause me to see her in a different, less favourable light. But it didn’t. Not at all. Instead, her revelation made me grateful that she would trust me with something so emotionally important. 

It also made me very curious.

I liked this woman. She was like me. We had very similar values. Yet she had made a bid for escape that was similar to the one my husband had. She had put her spouse—the man she was still married to and very much in love with—through the same pain my husband had put me through.

This all happened at a pivotally important point. When I met this new friend, my husband had just put me through two months of trickle truth that left me deeply traumatized (panic attacks, hypervigilance, insomnia, nightmares…) and obliterated any residual trust that still remained after I first discovered his affair. We were separated, at my request. I no longer believed anything—literally anything—my husband told me. 

But I believed this new friend. She had volunteered information about her relationship that I never would have known otherwise. Unlike my husband, she had no reason to lie about her experience.

She told me that although it had been over a decade since she cheated, she still felt ashamed of her choices. And I believed her. She told me that she never cheated before and had never, ever considered cheating again. I believed that too. She told me her affair partner was of zero consequence—just a human escape-hatch for the feelings she didn’t want to be having in her marriage. She told me that she was so grateful that she and her husband stayed together, not just for the sake of their children but for the sake of their relationship. She told me that she loved her husband now more than ever. I believed her.

A key thing this friend of mine was able to give me (and continues to give me) is the same thing Elle gives us on this website: the solace of having been there. 

When I first read Elle’s assurances that it gets easier, I trusted her because she had been through it. She knew. For months, Elle’s words did not match my experience, yet I still took solace in the notion that they eventually might. I’m happy to report that a year after D-Day, they do. It isgetting easier. 

Similarly, I took great solace back then in hearing about my friend’s experience. It reframed my notion of what the future might look like. It meant that “once a cheater always a cheater” was not always correct. (My friend hadn’t re-cheated in over a decade.) It meant that it might actually be true that the other woman meant nothing. My friend never gave her affair partner a second thought.

It meant that when my husband claimed to feel regret every day, to be permanently changed, to be repulsed by his former choices—just like my friend did—he might actually be telling the truth.

17 comments:

  1. I am 9 months out from Dday after finding out my husband of 17 years had affairs both physically and emotionally our entire marriage. I moved out and we are both in therapy since Dday. I have been dramatically devastated to say the least. I had no idea None so the shame and guilt. And humiliation from not seeing it is also an added bonus. My dreams of retirement with him in a few years is gone along with all trust and respect. From day 1 he has said he wants to he is sorry, will do anything to gain my trust and respect and has communicated more now than ever in our entire marriage. I now have to choose to work on this marriage or start a new life and that makes me angry. I have to choose! I have a strong faith and it has become even stronger since this whole ordeal. Since 9 months ago I no longer cry every day, I sleep better, I function, and even squeak out a smile or laugh every now and again. I just want my life back.. what do I do with a serial unfaithful husband. Has anyone else had a spouse that has cheated often, and now they are still married and happy. Or if they cheat more than once in a marriage should I run...no alcohol or drugs are involved and he says his issues should of been dealt with prior to marriage with me so all of his insecurities, lack of emotions, and empathy for those more weak would not have led him to this lifestyle..just plane scared...

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    1. Dear Anonymous,

      My heart breaks for you. I am not in your situation and so I cannot offer advice but I know that many of the women on this site will be able to.

      What I would say is this: you don't have to decide anything right now. In fact, it sounds like you probably don't have enough information to decide anything right now.

      What you're trying to decide is if your husband has ceased to be the man he was (i.e., a relationship-long cheater) and has become the kind of man you need him to be (i.e., committed, truthful, honest). Nine months isn't enough time for anyone to fully transform, so the best you'll be able to tell is if he is BECOMING the man you need him to be.

      Has your husband adequately explained why he spent the entire duration of your relationship cheating? Was he using sex as a way of numbing his feelings, and trying to escape the work of fixing things that weren't working for him in your relationship? Did he have unrealistic expectations about what a true committed relationship is and how much work and humility it involves? You say that no drugs or alcohol were involved, but behavioral addiction is just as real as substance addiction.

      You mentioned that he has communicated more now than ever in your entire marriage. Is he proving to you in other ways, every day, that he is undertaking the work of dealing with the issues that led him to cheat and is he making progress? Has he freely given you access to all of his devices, social media accounts, bank accounts, credit card statements, and offered to let you track his phone?

      Have you set clear boundaries about what is and what is not acceptable to you, and is he respecting those boundaries without argument?

      Is he taking care of you as you feel pain? Is he showing compassion for your suffering?

      You write "I just want my life back". Anonymous, I do not think that it possible nor do I think you should want it. Your old life involved having a partner who wasn't a real partner to you. Try to imagine what a new life could involve instead.

      Have you read this brilliant poem by Warsan Shire entitled "Today My Horoscope Read"?


      Today My Horoscope Read

      You are the alchemist
      of your loneliness.
      You can create anything
      in its place.

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  2. Chinook

    I am brand new to this "club" being at DD #3. I found out that my husband of almost 9 years had a 2 week texting affair last year by the OW's partner. He found a picture in my Facebook feed that was somehow public and posted screenshots of my husband's text messages to her. After I saw this I called him and asked if he cheated on me. Of course he asked what I was talking about. I told him what I saw and he said just a minute, he wanted to check himself. I yelled, point blank, you know whether or not you did so answer me or I am gone. He did. He was out of state for work for 3 days. The woman he transgressed with was someone that I knew of but had not met. He had even asked me if it was okay for him to go to dinner with her and her family as they Knew each other from high school. He had told me in the past that she was his first love. They "dated" in high school for a week. Never even kissed. I thought at the time, what's the harm? He's going to dinner with her family. Sure. Why not.

    As the story goes, they went to dinner. The next day, she invited him to her house. They had recently lost a mutual friend in a drunk driving accident and she was struggling so he went. He says that they were getting emotional and she came over and sat on his lap and started kissing him. Both of them say that they didn't sleep together. After he came home, they sent texts back and forth, emotional and sexual. This lasted for about 2 weeks when she apparently showed them to her partner. I did not have an inkling this was happening. We were happy. We were physical. He didn't pull away or give me any indication that something was wrong.

    As I am want to do, I have spent the last 48 hours researching to try to understand what has happened. I tend to go to podcasts and tedtalks for understanding. The very first one I came across was Esther Perel. She spoke to all my feelings. I told 3 women in my life who are my rocks. I got advice and support and love from all of them in very different ways. 1 says leave but I support you either way. 1 says give yourself time to make your decision. 1 says she supports me but I feel the silent judgement in giving him another chance. 4 days ago I would have said that I would never stay with a cheater. Now I don't know.

    When I found this site, at first I sobbed. For seeing other people in pain. For seeing hope. For feeling more alone then I ever thought I would but at the same time surrounded by strength I those women I told and you strangers.

    My husband had a horrific childhood. He was taken from his birth mother at 18 months. For those 18 months he was tied to a crib. Unloved and untouched. By chance, he placed with the most loving and amazing foster mother until he and his older brother were adopted. His adoptive parents are wonderful. His mother is the first of those 3 women. They loved him and gave him the best home they could. Their hearts are so big that they adopted another, older, girl when he was around 10. At some point a few years later she pushed herself on him and she became his first sexual encounter. I knew all of this before we were married. Why I say it now is because I felt like Esther was speaking directly toward me in her talk. I knew/know this is not about me and not my fault. Yesterday, I asked him to watch her talk. He did. He told me that it all made sense. That he was fucked up. That when he was in that moment he felt validated. He felt like this person that turned him down in high school finally wanted him. Blah blah blah. Man it feels good to get this out and know that there might be someone on the other end reading it who can help me process without judging. With making me feel shame for staying at this time.

    Thank you all for sharing your heartbreaking stories and not being afraid or ashamed for your choices. I read another post on here that talked about warriors. You are all just that. I guess I am in training. I am a warrior in many aspects of my life and I know I can be in this new arena with time.

    K

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    1. Dear K,

      I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. The shock, the disbelief, the pain... so, so much pain.

      Do I understand correctly that roughly a year ago, your husband had a 2-week physical (but non-sexual) and emotional affair with a women he dated in high school? And do I understand correctly that you found out about this just 3 days ago?

      The reason I'm asking is because you mentioned being at D-Day 3, but it sounds like you are actually 3 days past your D-Day (or discovery day). Typically the lingo is that people number their discovery days to clarify if there is more than one (i.e., if their partner cheats again and they discover it again it would be D-Day #2, or if they thought they had the whole truth but it turns out there was a great deal more to be discovered, that second day of discovery might be D-Day #2).

      Yes, it's horrible that more than one D-Day is a reality for some women.

      I'm glad you found Esther Perel's work enlightening. I was very familiar with it before I experienced infidelity first-hand, which meant that I already had a lot of perspective when it happened to me.

      It sure doesn't make it hurt any less, though.

      You mentioned that you are wont to research and understand, seeking out information from experts. In that case, I recommend buying Elle's book, which is excellent ("Encyclopedia for the Betrayed"), buying the book "I love you but I don't trust you" by Mira Kirsenbaum, and reading this "Dear Sugar" letter: https://therumpus.net/2011/08/dear-sugar-the-rumpus-advice-column-81-a-bit-of-sully-in-your-sweet/

      I also recommend reading lots of the posts on this site. Elle's wisdom is amazing.

      All the things you are doing and questions you are asking sound familiar to me, K. It sounds like you are already instinctively on the right path.

      Understanding why your husband cheated is important... but it's up to HIM to figure that out. You can't -- and shouldn't -- figure it out for him. That is very important learning that he must do for himself. I think it is also extremely important for both of you to understand why he ENDED the emotional affair after just two weeks. That will help you both focus not only on what he did that was reckless but also on what he did that was responsible.

      If you are open to some advice, K, it is this:

      1. Get into marriage counseling right away, with a very good therapist. If you don't like the therapist, trust your gut. It has to be a good fit for YOU and there are a lot of schmucks out there.

      2. Do not hide from the truth of your feelings. Do not hide for the sake of harmony or to spare him pain or to make nice with your families or to conform to social norms or to obey what your faith teaches. Do not hide from what your heart tells you is true.

      3. Do not hide from your pain. Feel all of it. Let it be your teacher and your guide. Let it be the rocket fuel that propels you to a place of even deeper understanding and compassion and humanity. This is the path of the warrior.

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    2. Chinook,

      Thank you so much for your reply. I did get the lingo wrong. I am now 4 days from finding out. First (and hopefully ONLY) affair. I will certainly check out those resources. The desire to feel normal is so strong. I know that the fake it till you make thoughts I have had won't work. After the first few days of not being able to muster more than a few sentences to him, I am feeling stronger in my ability to ask questions. I can feel his deep regret for what he did and for the pain he has caused. He has agreed that he needs help for the things that happened to him in his childhood that he simply cannot fix himself. I told him that I love him but I cannot be his therapist. I am not qualified.

      As for why he ended it, he says that he felt so horrible about what he had done. That at the time he felt a validation from her. I asked him why he didn't tell me and he said that he didnt want to hurt me. Puke. What I will say, and what may get backlash, is that I wish I didn't know. I feel such anger toward the man who found it necessary to post that shit on my Facebook page. I can step outside and see that I am projecting anger, but it is what it is.

      Sure, there where and certainly now are, problems in our marriage. But what caused this were not those. That is from his mouth. I suppose I am thankful that he doesn't blame me. I don't feel ugly or unwanted or like less of a person or wife. I don't even feel angry. Just heart crushing pain. Maybe that is to come and with your advice, I will feel it all and do my best not to try to tuck it in an ugly little box in my brain. I know that is not healthy or helpful. He has said the same and doesn't want to brush it away either. I KNOW he is a good man with some really shitty flaws. I have flaws too. More than anything, I believe in myself and in us and our ability to survive this. I can only pray that this second chance is not taken for granted.

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    3. Dear K
      You will not get backlash from me about wishing you didn't know.I had that wish for a long time.I am almost 4 years out from D day.What i have discovered over this time was how messed up he was and how messed up our marriage was.Do I wish the affair never happened ABSOLUTELY.He struggled to admit that he has issues but he never blamed me. Set boundaries...and give yourself time.I know time is an ugly 4lettered word but you cannot get around the pain ...we just have to go through it.Hugs my friend
      gage

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    4. Dear K,

      Has anyone told you yet today that you are doing an amazing job?

      You are doing an amazing job.

      You are being honest. You are being brave. You are facing what needs to be faced. You are setting appropriate boundaries. You are advocating for yourself. And it sounds like you are doing it all with great compassion for yourself. All this at less than a week past D-Day.

      You are probably also sobbing so hard you drench your pillow with tears. You probably have moments of being doubled over with pain. You may feel random grips of breath-seizing panic. If so, it's all normal. And none of those things, or anything else you may be experiences, detracts from your strength (quite the opposite) or the fact that you are doing a great job.

      You will get no backlash from me on the wish not to know. That was always my position before I got married. I believed that anyone who felt the need to unburden themselves by confessing to an affair was being doubly selfish, first by having the affair and then by seeking relief from the secret guilt. I know someone to whom this happened. It really solidified how astonishingly selfish her (now ex-)husband is.

      I think that it is appropriate to feel angry with the other woman’s husband. Essentially, he attacked you. I suspect that he was acting from a place of pain and anger and vengefulness, wanting the world to know how WRONG his wife was (and, perhaps, how RIGHT he is). But the end result is that he took something hurtful and not only forced you to see it without considering your feelings or desires, but he did it in a massively public way. That’s an attack. You *should* feel angry about it.

      The road ahead will be very long for both you and your husband. I am only 13 months out (and 11 months out from having the whole truth), but Elle and other wise women on this site (like Gage and OliveMe and Steam) all say that with time comes a calming of the hurt. I believe them, and so far that has been my experience.

      Write any time, K. You are among friends.

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    5. K. You won't get any backlash here. You are among friends and women that understand. I'm just about 3 years out. I can hardly believe that, but here I am. It took me 6 weeks to be able to post anything on this blessed blog. It took you 4 days, or should I say daze? You are amazing!


      I had 2 d-days and trickle truth and he did it with a "friend." OY! I wanted to know why he did it. I didn't care so much about the sex. I cared about why he decided it was better to go down that shitty road instead of talking with me. To date, I’ve given him about 900 chances.


      While time is a bitch it's all we have for now. Time to figure out what we want/need in our lives. At first, all I wanted was to save my marriage. It was my salvation, so I thought. But about a year out I started questioning that. I took a page from my husbands book at the time...it'll go away and she"ll get over it if I just ignore it...but I started ignoring my marriage and started dealing with me. During that first year I read everything I could to understand what the hell was going on in me and why this shit happens. I had a pretty good understanding but he still wasn't on board to do his work, so I moved on to mine more and more. I've had several revelations over the past 3 years and I’m grateful for the time.


      Allow yourself the gift of time. Be angry, sad, devastated. Get therapy. Take the meds if you need to. Grieve it all and it will make room for growth. At least it has for me.


      Do I wish things had gone differently? Of course! but the shit storm is just want WE needed to happen. I had become a shell. Empty and afraid and constantly walking on eggshells. Not any more. He became an angry and ugly person and regrets it all deeply.


      Do I hope that our marriage survives this? Sure I do, but it’s no longer my main concern.


      Am I still finding who I am and how I want my life to be? Yes. I had a different life planned before D-day 1 but I’m learning to divorce myself from a lot of those ideas (Esther Perel). Granted, the last 10 years of my 24 year marriage was shitty in retrospect, but I had a different view/plan for life. Now I’m grateful for my art, my dogs, my crazy mom, the peer counseling I do, waking up in the morning, and that it looks like my husband is finally getting his head out of his ass…lol. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good guy that’s been carrying a shit ton of hurt since birth. I’d hate to be in his shoes. Beautiful time, a desire for inner peace, integrity and kindness has got me here today. Grateful for it all. Love you my sisters. We will transcend.

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  3. Thank you for sharing.
    My problem is that my husband regrets how badly he hurt me, but he does not regret having the affair. It lasted 18 months, they saw each other once a month due to the fact that they live three hours apart, and the affair just ended on 7/20/19, when I discovered it. He called her and told her that they could no longer continue this relationship. She is also married with two children. Anyhow, he told me that he was in love with her; I am sure he is experiencing Limerence, but their relationship had never been tested, it was comprised of phone calls and sex once a month in crappy hotels. He said the affair made him feel alive. We were definitely having problems and feeling disconnected. I went through a long depression and pushed him away, which is not an excuse to have an affair, but certainly contributed to the distance between us.
    Has anyone else had their partner be remorseful for hurting their partner, but not for having the affair? I want to stay married, but am having a hard time with his inability to show remorse for having an affair in the first place.

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    1. Dear Survivor77,

      Wow. I don't even know where to start with how much I have a problem with this.

      Imagine if I told you that I regret gaining 10 pounds but I don't regret eating Haggen Daaz for dinner every night for two weeks. You'd me like "Well, okay, crazy lady: you do you!" Because hey, it was MY choice to eat a zillion calories and MY body that pays the price.

      But can you imagine if I told you that hey, don't get me wrong, I do regret seriously injuring the pedestrian I hit and who is currently in hospital fighting for her life, but I don't actually regret going on that crazy drunk driving spree because gosh it was fun and honestly I just needed to do it in order to grow as a person.

      Can you hear how incredibly arrogant that is? When people use the term "male privilege", this is exactly what they're talking about: the notion that he is more special and important than anyone else, and therefore what he got out of it far outweighs any pain it may have caused anyone else.

      The idea that you can regret the consequences but not regret the action is incredibly immature. It makes me feel rage-y just to know that you're out there, hurting, and your cheating husband is hurting you even more by telling you these stupid things. It's the kind of thing I would expect an arrogant teenage boy to say.

      Yes, I'm sure the affair did make him feel "alive". Yes, I'm sure that your depression did contribute to the distance between you. But when you commit to being with someone (ring or no ring), you TALK THROUGH the problems. You don't go behind your partner's back and relieve your own feelings with a betrayal. By the way, this applies to ANY betrayal, not just an affair. You do not go behind your partner's back and spend money the two of you agreed was for savings because it makes you feel better to have just bought a bunch of expensive things for yourself. You do not dump all the parenting responsibilities on your partner so that you are free and easy to do what you want, which makes you feel happier about your life but leaves her without a moment to herself, ever.

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    2. Not that I have any desire to defend your husband (can you tell?) but it hasn't yet been a month since you caught him and he is probably still in the whole denial-that-he-is-such-an-asshole phase.

      My husband was, at first, completely unable to empathize with my situation because he had actually NEVER considered it from my perspective. It never even crossed his mind to think about what it would be like for me to catch him having an affair. He had compartmentalized so deeply that his mind didn't even go there. That lasted a few days.

      Then, he panicked and started playing the whole "I'm-not-such-a-bad-guy-this-wasn't-really-so-bad" game, which involved bald-faced lying about the extent of the affair. (That was the most traumatizing part for me.) He did this because he was starting to realize that actually, yes, he WAS a completed asshole, and so he lied to try and minimize the affair and the impact it "should" have.

      The great thing about me not keeping his affair a secret (although, to be clear, I didn't advertise it either) is that he couldn't hide in some little bubble of denial about how heinous a thing he had done. When his parents found out, when his sister found out, when his friends found out (because one of my conditions for even considering reconciliation is that he tell them all), they were all deeply shocked and ashamed of him. Their reactions him realize how deeply shameful his actions were.

      You are very much in the early stages, Survivor77. You don't have to decide right now whether or not to stay with your husband. You could go a year or two without deciding; that's what a lot of us are currently doing. The only things you have to do right now are (1) take very good care of yourself, and (2) gather information. When I say "gather information", I don't mean information about the affair, I mean information about what kind of a man your husband truly is: what he is choosing to do now that you've caught him, how he is choosing to understand (or not) his actions, how he chooses to empathize (or not empathize) with you, how he chooses to help you heal (or chooses not to).

      By the way, my husband HATED being in the post-getting-caught place of shame and of feeling like an asshole. Several times he told me that I had to make a decision about our marriage or he would take it for me and leave. "Fine," I told him, "leave." And I meant it. Because I knew from the very beginning that I would NOT tolerate being dictated to about the healthy processing of my emotions.

      He always stayed. Every single time, he has stayed. I'm 13 months out. I'm still gathering information.

      Have you read Elle's "How to apologize" guide for husbands? You don't have to give it to your husband but I think you should use this as a measuring stick for what SHOULD be happening: http://betrayedwivesclub.blogspot.com/2017/04/how-to-apologize-for-breaking-your.html

      There's also this great one: http://betrayedwivesclub.blogspot.com/2014/04/my-letter-to-husbands-just-talk-about.html

      I really hope you get more responses, Survivor77. I'm so curious to hear what other women think.

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    3. Chinook,

      Thank you for your perspective and advise! I can see the internal beatings he is giving to himself, and he is deeply ashamed of what he did and how my family and our closest friends now perceive him, or maybe more so, that they know his dirty little secret. Regardless, his walls seem to be coming down...he has asked me several times over the last few days, why I stayed, knowing what he did. He said he would never stay if I did this to him. Perhaps he is actually beginning to regret his decision to have an affair?

      I am taking things day by day, really it is more like minute by minute. I am trying to give myself time to deal with my reality in the mornings, and then I try my best to focus on all of the good pieces of my life, because I don’t want our Son to suffer, more than he already unknowingly has, for his Dad’s ridiculously stupid and dangerous decision.

      I have a therapist and went to see her once since DDay, I should probably schedule another appointment for this week or next. We went to marriage counseling for the first and only time in our marriage a couple of weeks ago and it was terrible. The therapist was awful! We are on a waiting list for a marriage counselor who is fantastic, so in the meantime we are working on communicating better, and my husband is cooperating with my demands regarding transparency.

      Thanks again for everything, Chinook!

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    4. Survivor77, it sounds like your husband is starting to see things from your perspective -- or starting to admit that he sees things from your perspective. That's a positive step.

      Just something to think about: Brené Brown writes a lot about the difference between guilt ("I did a bad thing") and shame ("I am a bad person"). It's good for the cheater to feel guilt. That's healthy. He *did* do a bad thing. But shame is a toxic feeling to live with, and it makes the person feeling the shame do all kinds of bad things to try and escape it. Like drink. Like have an affair. Like lie to himself.

      Taking things one day at a time is the only way forward that I know of, and yes, that does sometimes mean taking it minute by minute. Remember: be kind to yourself. And good on you for scheduling another therapy appointment for yourself, and for being open to marriage counseling with your husband.

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  4. Hi Chinook,
    Thanks for sharing the story.
    Things don't seems to happen in my case. My H never feel regret or sorry for hurting me and he never ever wanted to admit on his affair. Instead, he told me that he feel proud that he make this decision to divorce.
    We'd been separated for 1 year+ and now is in process of divorce. He had been chasing after me to agreed on the divorce and i had finally agreed after 1 year.
    I know it is so hard to move forward but looking back for the past 1 year, how far I've been through alone and i am still surviving. I still remembered the day when he forced me to moved out from the house, ignored me and show no concern at all.
    I don't understand how a human being able to act so cruelty letting go of 16 years relationship -4 year of marriage without looking back. Last month i had an car accident and he saw it. He just texted me and ask why i park my car at road side. I told him i had an accident but he didn't come over to help me. but he is more concern is about the car insurance claim.
    Whenever i read through the post here and most of the H at least regret/show some remorse but not mine. Sometime, i would think if he is a monster who don't have any feeling?

    Fighter always fight. Whenever i fall, i always make sure i get back up.


    Lost_AA

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    1. Lost_AA, it sounds like this man has given you a rare and wonderful gift: the gift of certainty.

      No matter what else is up in the air, you can be absolutely certain that you do not want to spend one more moment of your wild and precious life with this man in your presence or in your thoughts.

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  5. Lost_AA
    I’m sorry you have one that only looks out for his own wants! How selfish! I’m sure his behavior is very frustrating for you but the truth is no matter how long a relationship is, if both partners are not willing to work on the relationship, it will fail. Marriage is hard work even without betrayal! You have to stop thinking about his failure as a man and begin to rebuild yourself apart from his failure. You didn’t cause him to become the asshole that he is! You didn’t deserve to be treated this callously! It’s time for you to take special care of you! Just because a few of us have the h that does become the better man doesn’t reflect on you because you have the one that continues to think only of himself! Most men are selfish to a certain degree and that’s not a reflection on us either. Even those of us who are still with our h still have to work hard daily on our self esteem and our relationship. Time is the four letter word that I felt like was a curse when I was told that it takes time to work through the pain of betrayal. I’m so sorry for what you are living through. Just know that you are not the only one with a h that continues to be the selfish type that can just not give a damn about anything but himself! I’m sending you hugs and just want you to know you’re not alone!

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  6. Lost AA--wow, what a wretched soul your ex husband is. It's easy for me to say that you are lucky he's gone, but I hope you realize how lucky you are that he is gone. Terrible. K my H grapples with horrible shame that landed him back on the other side of the line once. He's dealing with it (not to the point that I would like, but in his own way and time) and it must be torture. I hope he can pull out of it and he has steps he follows to make sure he feels like he is a contributing member of society and a decent guy, untreated, that shame is toxic.

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