Monday, August 13, 2018

What You Must Know About Getting Past Betrayal?


A newcomer recently commented that though she appreciates all the information she's reading on the site, she's concerned that so many people seem to be mired in the pain. "Does anybody get past this?" she wonders. Or is she doomed to a life of joylessness?
It's understandable that she might worry. I was convinced that I would never feel anything but misery. I felt sentenced to a life of sadness, all because of something I had no control over.
Looking around, there wasn't anyone to tell me otherwise. My father's betrayal had led my mother to a decade of alcohol abuse. When she got sober, she recreated a joyful life. But that seemed more a consequence of sobriety than healing.
On this site, of course, there are many many posts about the pain of betrayal, the frustration of triggers, the long road to healing. Far fewer are the posts about the delight of a life beyond the betrayal, past the healing.
I pointed out to this commenter that, over the years, there have been many many others who've come to the site, found healing and then, when the betrayal began to recede into the past, moved on to other things. Those women, I told our commenter, are likely right now on some home decor site figuring out what color to paint their kitchen. Or maybe binge watching Netflix. Or, maybe, glued to CNN watching the drama of a president descending into madness and continuing to gaslight a nation. Wherever they are, betrayal for them has, like it has for me, become something that happened. If it wasn't for this site and my reluctance to relinquish my role as a shepherd of broken hearts, I can promise you, I wouldn't be here. Which is good news for all of you! Because it's proof that betrayal will not define your entire life, no matter how large it's looming right now.
And that's what I'd like everyone to know, no matter where you are post-betrayal. You will get past this. You can heal from this. It will never disappear, of course. There will be triggers. There will be anxieties. But they can be few and very far between.
The responsibility, however, is yours. Healing doesn't magically happen. Time helps, of course. But the real healing comes from the hard work of repairing your broken heart. Establishing clear and healthy boundaries. Learning to practice daily self-care.
And, if you choose, rebuilding a marriage. A second marriage with your first husband, as Esther Perel puts it.
But always know it's possible. Reach for it. The women who have moved past betrayal have also, often, moved past this website. There's nothing for them here. No décor tips. No celebrity gossip. No political news. No beauty advice (except, sleep. Always always get your sleep).
But I'm still here. And so are you. We're shepherding those broken hearts into a future where those hearts are healed. 

44 comments:

  1. Elle - I love this. Love, love, love this! One night I had a long post typed out through tears ... and like a dummy I hit log out instead of post. I recanted some of it but left off the part about how this site triggers me. How I come here because I want someone to hold my hand and tell me that what I'm feeling is NORMAL (whatever that is) and I need the tough love telling me to get my head out of the dark place called my ass ... but that by seeing the new/old/somewhere in between ladies here feeling so much hurt it triggers me.

    Year 2 seems to be so much harder than year 1. Sure Year 2 brings a new level of hormones [why are breastfeeding hormones so much worse than pregnancy hormones?] ... and sleeplessness ... and anniversaries of dates and memories from last year ... and finally (or God I truly hope) all of the cards are on the table. Now I feel like the real work truly begins. But so does the feeling of "I'm just over this shit and I want to move on already". The feeling that either I stay and sign my parole papers to this hurt ... or I rip off the stripes and shackles and cast off into the world without the pain [although I know that's not reality either as I frequent that separating/divorcing page too] ...

    Thank you for continuing to share your growth, your wisdom, your compassion and your tough love. I came here looking for hope and I continue to get it ...

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    1. Kimberly,
      Thank you for sharing what you're feeling. Yes, this site can be triggering and I know some women need to step away for a bit. We can sometimes obsess and think that if we just read the right thing, or come across that perfect piece of wisdom, we'll unlock the secret and emerge pain-free. Instead, healing from infidelity is a slog. It's a day-in/day-out reckoning that, some days, we need to step away from.
      This site is a buffet -- take what nourishes you. Walk away from what doesn't.
      In the meantime, take care of yourself. New motherhood messes with us enough WITHOUT also dealing with infidelity. But I'm glad this site offers hope because, honestly, you will get past this. And hope can be in short supply when it all just feels like too much.

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  2. I hope to some day feel the way you do Elle. My issue is less with my husband but more how the betrayal has affected every aspect of my life. I am not worried about him cheating or doing inappropriate things. However if he does not follow through on something I would have felt was trivial pre dday I feel more hurt/upset/let down/injured. Before dday I would have just brushed it off and been oh well.

    I have found these feelings have carried through to the rest of my life. If family or friends bail on me I feel so hurt. I do not want to reach out and plan anything. Since dday I have been let down so many times. Some for good reason and others who knows. And maybe these others are going through things I do not know about. I still struggle to open up to others. Some of it is I just lack energy or interest too. I feel like since dday I am just worn down. I take care of myself, kids and my career and that is about it. After trying so many times to connect with friends and plan outings to be cancelled on I am kind of done.

    So pain and worry about the actual betrayal has passed but it is the after shocks and lasting affect on all other areas of me and my life.

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    1. Hopeful30,
      I too felt particularly fragile after D-Day. Every little slight felt like one more hurt on top of so many.
      Now, however, I'm so much better at not taking things personally. I'm much MUCH better at being discerning about the people in my life. You either deserve to be in it -- by being respectful and kind -- or you don't. But that comes with time and, I think, boundaries.
      Other people's behaviour generally has nothing to do with us. If it does, it's uncumbent on them to talk to us like adults. But most likely, it's about them.
      Give yourself some time to lick your wounds around friends' lousy treatment. And maybe talk to them about it. Tell them it hurts your feelings, or makes you frustrated. If they're true friends, they'll want to know that. If they're not, then might as well know now.

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    2. Good advice. And as my husband points out they are dealing with issues some known and not known. I guess part of this is my cross to bare since I have not disclosed it. There is a possibility they think I have changed. A few people in that first year asked if I was okay since I was more quiet. And many noticed my husband's changes. It was dramatic. Probably more from his friends though. He told him he made a decision to focus more on his family and what mattered most.

      And honestly I am not in a place where I feel I can approach my friends. It is a defense mechanism to protect me and what I cannot control. I have had a taste of it when my kids especially one of them remind me so much of my husband, how he saw life and acted. On a really minor scale but that gut feeling. Almost the same things I heard him say to me for years.

      I need to give myself more time and assess what I want. I might consider going back for some therapy since school is starting up. Might help and can't hurt.

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  3. Does it get better? Yes and no. You will love him less and more. You will not respect him and you will respect him more as your new relationship faces new challenges, a new depth and a new closeness. It was a deal breaker but not the end. You have had broken deals now and you will have broken deals tomorrow. He may have lost your trust and respect, he can’t un-ring that bell but you gave him a gift of a second chance not to ring that bell again. The real deal breaker is something he lost with you, he can never get back. This is his new reality. Healing, loving yourself also means being in two worlds at the same time. Your mind can be in the post affair world, or the healing world or both at the same time. That is just one more of avenue in the healing road. You think you know your way, the route and direction only to get lost again. That doesn’t mean you don’t stop driving. That is your new reality. Remain in love with yourself. You still have deal breakers that remain unbroken. Is getting over it like it never happened, if that is the definition, then no I won't. If getting over it is not angry, hurting, pain, no self-esteem, I'm not good enough, then yes you will. I can tell you I'm the happiest I have ever been in my entire life. Not because of coming through the other side of an affair but coming to through the other side of me, that I didn't realize existed. I may post about pain at times but that is just living life. This is the only place I have to vent my frustrations. I will remain on this site as long as Elle keeps it going. This site keeps me going. I want to learn and grow. Home Decor does not have Elle, Steam, 1998, Still Standing 1, Beagle mom, Beach girl, Nor Cal, Pilots wife, Hopeful 30, Theresa, Dandelion, Heartfelt, Wounded I remember them all and their stories. There are no absolutes, always deal breakers and just life. This can be a painful site to read but keep reading it doesn't get better.

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    1. I meant it does get better. Holy crap sorry.

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    2. Xoxox attended stood up and participated in a family wedding recently with my Husband and lits of family you know i didnt think about it once that day. I still have my days but im living again. Even had a fun time i must say... huh! A few months over 3 years ive been super busy not posting as much but im here with the only people who know. You lovely warrior women.

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    3. Bravo Wounded!
      And yes, LLP, I think the pain of betrayal can morph into the challenge of just living our lives and it really helps to have an army of smart girlfriends lining our path.

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    4. Can't like this response enough LLP. This is the perspective I need.

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  4. You think you don’t have much to brag about yourself right now, Like being cheated on. You have experienced total destruction. Do you rise above it and make a difference in your life? Or do you remain controlled by the past, fears and excuses? Many women chose convalescent homes of the heart. Healthy women with sharp minds but retired dreams. Rocking back and forth in the rocking chair of regret. They repeat over and over “I surrender”. Lean closely you can hear...If only I had been prettier....If only I had been sexier"......if only I had been more fun..... You have used these words. You have every right to use them. But don’t be a slave to them. Your ego has been hurt. There are good days. There are bad days. Some days can be really stunning, incredibly wonderful. Think about your life before the affair. It was up and it is down. It was less and at the same time more. You were happy and sad. You felt accomplished and deficient. Confident and scared. Love yourself for the first time in your life. Make that your new reality.

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    1. LLP, you are the queen of metaphors. Love it.

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  5. Elle, thank you from the depths of my broken heart for not relinquishing your role.

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    1. I second that LilyLove.
      Elle, you are brilliant and so loyal to all of us women to keep this site open and continuing with your posts and responses, long after your D Day, when you probably want to "move on, and forget some things", you are always here for us with kind words of wisdom.
      Much love to you Elle.
      Hugs
      Gabby xo

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  6. Again, Elle, this post is so meaningful to me. We are going through an especially difficult and emotional time right now. It feels like the gains I thought I made were superficial and insufficient to carry on like I planned. As we purge 40+ years of "stuff" and family photos, I am reliving all the new "truths" I learned three years ago. When look at all the albums I put together of our first born who is pushing 40, I see the face of my handsome husband who had already cheated on me with a secretary. "Only twice" as if that is unimportant. Then there are all the years between that and the emergence of his porn and prostitute habit. He is looking at photos of his family of origin and feeling sick at some of those memories. We are not connecting well at the moment. It is hard. I feel rather hopeless about all this at the moment. I related to Hopeful 30 about how much this has affected the rest of my life. I love this blog. It often saves my sanity several times a day. I cannot understand why I still have such sick feelings inside at times just looking at him and knowing what he did to our marriage. The 40+ years of secrets he kept of his other life while living a life with me. No normal person does that. Like Hopeful 30 I don't really think he will go back to his porn and prostitute habit and I know that at the end of the day I love this man very much. There is still much shock and emotional trauma in those old photos. My old wedding rings are very prominent in so many photos and they are in the safe. When I told my husband to take his off he said he wanted to "rebuild" our marriage. I was insane and in pain and screamed at him that I put that ring on his finger with love and promise, not to have him fondling whores and AP! He yelled back, "It's only a hunk of metal." Wow, that still cuts like a machete. That is how he thinks. Honestly, LLP, maybe you should start a blog too because I love what you have to say. I do know that my husband is having a terrible time facing himself at the moment. I'm at a loss to say the right thing because honestly, "What did you think would be the outcome of all of your actions?" I'm tired of hearing, "I don't know." or "I thought I was going to die anyway." How did we get ourselves into this space?

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    1. Hi Beach Girl
      Reading your post, I find you a truly courageous lady...not a woman because it takes lots of fortitude, resolute and emotional resilience to continue in the marriage despite all the dark secrets. I am still learning, still coping...some days I am good with my long walks and meditation. Most days, I still ask myself why did God deprive me of a true, honest and good man. Sex seems perverse to me now.
      What takes me through is to see my son happy. I am not sure how things will be in the future but every...every day, I start the day telling God I leave ALL my pain and worries to Him because I beyond exhausted.
      Big big hug to you and all our fellow lady warriors!
      Love Lynn

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    2. Beach Girl, Yes Yes Yes! I relate to all that you say here and always. I feel the same way. My husband says many similar things about our wedding rings, and many other things. They do not mean the same to him or he trivializes them.

      And I agree totally with you when he feels down about himself or what he did. He feels like he cannot get out from under it. I too think what did you think was going to happen when you made all of these choices. He knew exactly what he was doing. All I can think is that he hated himself so much, it really was self sabotage. He has said it many times he took himself and us to the brink of destruction.

      This is a tough time. How do I get through every day life. It is not that my life is "hard", but how do I/we get through this. I too do not know what to say. And I do not think he could handle everything I would say if I had zero filter. It is not good at all.

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    3. Hopeful 30
      I so hear you! My h did have to live through everything that I spit at him during those early days years! He knew that was what he had coming and he had already heard it from her first!
      My life isn’t hard either but it’s way more complicated than his midlife crisis was! I know that’s not what got us all here but it’s what landed me here!

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    4. BeachGirl,
      Here's the thing: You don't have to say the "right" thing. You are not responsible for making him feel better. Maybe he needs this reckoning right now.
      And maybe you do too. Maybe purging 40 years of stuff is partly about coming to terms with that 40 years. My eldest daughter was asking me about my wedding day a week or so ago. Just curious -- about bridesmaids, etc. At first it hurt a bit to talk about. My husband was already cheating on me and I hadn't a clue. But as we talked, those memories are still mine. Whatever was going on in his head, I knew what was going on in mine. And that's real. It's absolutely coloured by what I know now but all those years -- the children and the holidays and the meals around the table -- I wouldn't give it up. It has all added up to where I am right now. And I'm good with that. I've long given up wishing I could change what's happened. Far better to try and make peace with it (and let your husband make his own peace without you brokering it for him).

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    5. Reading all of this I have such strong feelings that more than ever I need to turn this around how I see it all. I have gotten there partially. However, I feel that I need to not let him take away all of my experiences. Of course things were not right, there were lies, there was gaslighting etc. But that is all on him. I gave my all and never let myself, him or our kids down. I struggle with our wedding but I feel like I need to get to the point of it again. Yes it "died" and we are recreating a new marriage but if it "died" that just brings so much sadness to me. For me I need to look at it differently. I am going to try this mindset of embracing the good we/I had in the past. We will see.

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  7. I feel so much better after 2.5 years, and I can honestly say I'm doing quite well. Mine was a fairly steady climb out of the D day hole thanks to good therapy, marriage counseling, this site, and the hard work my H and I were both willing to do. I'm certainly not "over it" in the sense of never thinking of it or occasionally stumbling upon a trigger, but my life feels healthy and joyful. I read a book called Option B that was a great tool for helping me understand resilience and grief in general. It's not a book about affairs specifically, but I did learn that we can help ourselves during grief and loss by remembering it's not permanent (you wont always feel this bad), pervasive (this won't invade every single aspect of your life), nor is it personal (it didn't happen because of something you did). It's the 3 P'S of resilience. For new people, I agree with all these. I had misconceptions about all 3 at first, but it's true that my H's affair was none of these things. I don't post as much as I used to, but I read and send good thoughts to you all all the time. Xo

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    1. Ann,
      Such good advice and so important to know when we're in the early stages and the grief feels like a constant companion.
      Glad you weighed in. And so glad to hear you're doing well! Important too for any newcomers to these shores to hear from those who don't need to visit quite so often.

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  8. Elle -- so wise! I'm three years out and I know I'm getting there because I looked in the mirror the other day and thought for the first time in ages -- "You look happy again" - the hurt look is gone. This site has helped me though it all -- from learning to set boundaries, to finding my voice, to asking for what I need and want, to helping me with practical advice (Should I ask him about this? Is this normal? Tell me not to email the OW - please!). There were months when I lurked here every day, and then I would step away for a while, and then something would bring me back. Although I know I'm making progress (I recently started singing again in the shower, something I had stopped not consciously on D-day), just a month ago the OW's Instagram photos of her fabulous vacation to Spain set me off -- I was so mad that she's smiling on vacation while I'm still rebuilding my relationship, and supporting (emotionally and financially) a husband who's struggling to reconcile what he did to me with his vision of himself -- I drank way too much that night -- and upon refection I know why. What feels different is that I can focus on other things when I'm alone. I used to just go over it all on repeat, and my need to do that is lifting. I also know this is not a linear process (I'm stunned at the twists and turns of my recovery) and that it's very different for everyone -this site has poked and prodded me at times when I've been stuck -- and has played a huge role in bringing me through -changed, wiser, and gradually, very gradually, happier. Thank you.

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    1. I'm so glad you shared that. And wow -- what a transformation you've undergone. My heart absolutely soars when I hear about those who've managed to move beyond this. Who are smiling and singing.
      Such an important point too -- that healing isn't a straight trajectory but that we'll go up and down and round and round. But even when it doesn't look like it, progress is being made. That's where journalling can really help. We don't always see progress but it's happening incrementally Being able to read back and see that we're not where we were can go a long toward giving us hope.

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  9. It's bad enough with the betrayals, (and like you Beach Girl, I know believe my STBX had been betraying me for many years, even during our dating days when we were young and living with our parents and I had no idea)....but then to have your husband not want to work at our marriage, and not want to be part of the family he created and leave the kids and I for another new affair partner, the pain is real...and ongoing as he clearly is putting new skank whore ahead of his own children.
    Yes the pain is lessening overall, some days are just down right shit, but mostly I have good days...except. Now. I JUST got a letter from my lawyers as to him wanting to sell our family home. I'm now having anxiety and in tears as to where in the fuck we will live - so now I'm having a shit day.
    Gabby xo

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    1. Gabby,
      I'm glad you're framing it as a shit day and noticing that you mostly have good days. You've had so much to deal with, so of course, you're feeling overwhelmed and overburdened. I wrote on another thread that I hope you can focus on your Next Right Step. Maybe a new home will signal a new start. Despite the upheaval, given that you may not have a choice, perhaps looking at it as the chance to find a home that's perfect for you and your kids and not inhabited by the ghosts of your marriage.
      AT the very least, I hope you're being gentle with yourself as you navigate this latest twist. And, wow, i sure hope you catch a break soon.

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  10. LLP ... can I come visit you? I love your posts. They are that realism that I am so desperately searching for right now. Sad - you could be my neighbor and I’d never know it!

    Thank you for continuing to come here.

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  11. For me healing came after excepting things that I wasn't even sure was the truth even though it stared me in the face every day. I put too much focus on the other woman and always wanted to know why. My h couldn't answer that question because he didn't even understand why. So I kind of gave up wanting to know that answer and started focusing on me. As soon as I stopped looking for the answers they started showing up in my life and I found out why a lot of it has to do with the awakening that we have mentioned on here. I understand him better, myself better and her better now even though she's not that important anymore. It will be 3 years at the end of the month and only the last few months have I really been able to feel the pain lose it's grip on my heart and not spill my guts on here about what happened. I still have bad days and sometimes this blog triggers me big time. But the good days out number the bad and I try to live in the moment more now instead of the past.

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    1. Yay, Cathy! Sounds like a whole lotta change in a relatively short period of time.

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    2. Hi Cathy,

      That sounds awesome.

      Can you give some tips about the "focusing on me" bit please? I have also been tormented by WHYS and never getting any answers.

      Recently I have realised that I have to give up asking/ waiting... but instead of resiliently moving ahead in my own life, I feel as though I'm in slow-motion to nowhere with a closed heart.

      This is still better than my stbx h who appears to be circling the drain... but I do want more than that.

      How did you get free?

      Thanks in advance for any help.

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    3. Hi Selkie,
      I thought about how to answer this all day and truthfully I'm not sure how I did it. I think it was reading the book by Brene Brown "The Gifts of Imperfection and going through my own awakening that has helped me heal. I got to understand me in a different way. I went through what is called the dark night of the soul and it felt like I was drowning in pain and despair. But once I was able to come up for air so to speak I found a calmer me and an understanding of what made my h unravel. I was always reading about what I was experiencing through this awakening process. I started listening to guided meditations on youtube for letting go of the past. These helped me too. I would do affirmations and would wake up every morning and tell the universe, God, and who ever else was listening what I was grateful for that day. I also walked my dog for 30 minutes each day, sometimes longer to feel grounded while listening to audio books. My favorite is Janet Evanaviches' Stephanie Plum as the bounty hunter.
      They made me laugh out loud. My h has also been right by my side throughout all of this. I understand now that he had to help himself before helping me all while going through his own awakening. I understand how this all sounds I actually thought I was going crazy from the pain of it and experiencing it. I started painting again, something I had done a lot when I was younger. I had actually gone to college to be an artist and then stopped painting when I got married and had kids. We moved across the country 3 years ago to start over and we started hiking the mountains in the new city we live in as something new to do together. So that has helped too. I still have some issues with the OW and two things still stick in my head the last few things that she ever said to me. One was calling me an old hag ( which I am not I'm just 17 years older then her) and the other was her telling me that I will never know the truth of what she actually had done because she had planned, with her friends, the whole destruction of my marriage. The biggest and hardest one is letting go of how my h talked to me days before dday. These three things I am still working on. I take them one day at a time and when these thoughts come into my head I let them sit for a while, let the pain wash over me and then brush them away and try to be in the moment not the past. I'm grateful for the spiritual awakening I've gone through and still experience. I feel that if I haven't gone through these things I wouldn't be where I am now. More peace, more joy and me again. I think a lot of us on here have experienced this awakening but don't understand what it really is. Most awakenings come about because of trauma that we have experienced in our lives and this is a way to heal from it and finally let it go. It's a bitch of a struggle to get through but in the end peace does come.

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  12. I’m still grateful that I stumbled into this blog! Never will be grateful for what brought me here but forever grateful for the wisdom that I have because of the stories of others that gave me hope from the very first post to this latest post! Warm hugs to y’all and especially those struggling as I continue to do from time to time!

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  13. it gets better and the pain does get MUCH less intense. None of us could survive long in the state we are in those first days, weeks, months or even a year. . It might sound odd but it's a relief to get more angry than bitter or defeated when things go wrong. It's great to have the strength to confront issues instead of hoping they will go away. The cheating is and will always be a horrible thing. but busting open a big secret thing like that and exposing it to daylight, it loses much of its allure and exposes it for what it is--a scummy dirty thing that cannot survive in the sun. it's not fun getting there, and it's not a lot of fun to even BE here, but if you don't let it fester into bitterness you will see what a strong person you can become. Some days I would call it the bright side of things when I am feeling TERRIBLY optimistic. But in reality, it just is what it is--knowledge.

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  14. Kim, I remember your story so well, finding your voice, wondering will the real Mr. Kim please stand up? Hoping you were seeing the truth. I remember your anger and difficulty in expressing your anger to your husband. He was clueless. Looking on FB at the OW child and feeling empathy, while your H couldn't or wouldn't say much at the time. Your respond to some of the women are so heartfelt. I hope Elle never shuts this site down. I would be lost like many others. Where else can I cuss to my heart's content?

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  15. Great post. Has anyone here read “Girl Wash Your Face” by Rachel Hollis? I was going to buy it. Seemed like a good one. Wanted to know from one of the BWs tho :)

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    1. I haven't read it but just looked at it on Amazon. Considering ordering it. Anyone??

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    2. I have the audio book but have not started it yet!

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  16. I agree that it does get better. I also would never have believed that when I found this site several months after D-day. Elle assured me then that I would smile and laugh again and she was right. Today is the 3 year 4 month anniversary of D-day and I honestly didn’t realize it until sat to count back. There was a time when the 14th of every month brought dread and tears. Today, it was just another day. Today, I can comfortably say my marriage is in a good place. It certainly hasn’t been easy along the way. Which reminds me that Elle told me early on that healing isn’t a straight line. God knows, I have been all over the map. I’ve felt better and then fallen back into bouts of sadness. And when I’ve felt low, it’s been the ladies here who I’ve talked through it with and my husband who has reminded me of how far I’ve come.
    In recent weeks, I’ve finally accepted that I had fallen back into and was holding on to behavior that served no purpose but to keep me tied to the past. Letting go of it was hard but necessary. And when I did, i was amazed at how much better I felt.
    This site has offered me a sisterhood that came from circumstances I never wanted to be in, but I am so grateful for it, for Elle who is a reassuring voice that things will be ok, and for all of you who come here and share your stories.
    ❤️

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  17. Not been on this site long. I am in the throws of the rollercoaster. 24 March was DDay. He has been having the affair since Nov 2017. And Still it continues. He feels his life is with OW. In fact he is there with her now since 8 Aug as he is there for work commitments....����������. He gets back on Sunday.
    Has had no contact with me or his two kids since he left, unless you count 2 whatsapp messages to his kids (16&18)
    I am bordering between despair,anger & despondent. Somedays I want it to just end..... other days i want to fight for my marriage and be a success testimony that God hears and works and is in control. Especially when I feel God say "how can you say it is over, if I have not said it's over"
    I never thought i would be on this journey, never thought my husband would do this. Some days I feel a mess, other days I'm thankful, know it sounds weird but without this I would never have known how strong I can be, my husband has done the unthinkable but I feel more sorry for him than myself because he is the one that has lost so much....
    So everyday is a journey but with God all things are possible. Either way I know I still have a life to live, the pages maybe blank now as the future is uncertain, but it will be written....

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    1. LivingHope, I would suggest seeing a therapist for yourself. They will be able to help you navigate and work through this. As long as he is involved at all with the ow it is impossible to move forward with him. Also I would get legal advice just so you know where you stand. You don't ever have to use it but then you are prepared and protect yourself and your kids.

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    2. LivingHope
      Exactly what Hopeful 30 has said. Therapy and Legal advice.
      Your husband will not want to change if he can't see anything wrong in what he's doing. He's in denial to you and your kids pain and his wrong doings. If he wants to change and work on your marriage, he has to show you all the things you want - what boundaries you set - he has to DO all the right things, not just say them.
      Thinking of you
      Gabby xo

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