Monday, August 17, 2020

Multiple Sex Partners: "I just don't understand"

I'm re-posting this recent comment from Breathe, over on the Share Your Story thread so that more of you can read it. I think "Breathe" speaks for a lot of us, who come to terms with one affair, only to realize that there's so much to the story. How, we wonder, can we heal from even more pain? I'm also including my response after Breathe's letter.

My D-Day was six month ago. He had an affair with a coworker.
The last months were more than tough, but we were doing so great, I was doing so great.

I just experienced a big milestone on my healing journey. I reached a point where I realized that I cannot fight the whole thing anymore. I understood that it was his choice. And I also understood that I need to accept that he did this because otherwise I keep myself from living in the presence and be happy again. It was time to be kind to myself again.

My husband's affair felt like there was a battle and I wasn't there to fight it. The battle was over. But I was still fighting it. It just felt so unfair that I did not get a chance to fight it. To stop him from going to see her, to be with her.

However, the moment I realized that I cannot fight a losing battle I was somehow free again. I was able to stop all those mind movies, to stop reliving things to the fullest, I stopped having all those fantasies about doing bad things to them, to her, you know what I mean. I could ease this excruciating pain that sometimes – frankly spoken – I would inflict on me on purpose.

Learning about the “loss cycle” from my therapist, I understood that I surrendered.
And with it came this wonderful peace of mind that I hadn't felt since ages. I felt so so good. My friends even said I look so relaxed and so young again.

But one week ago, something terrible happened. Out of the blue, there was D-Day 2.
We were about moving houses and while packing boxes I found an old bank statement showing that he withdrew a lot of money in a dodgy part of the city in December 2018. And suddenly there was this thought I wanted to deny but I couldn´t.

Long story short: He also betrayed me with prostitutes. He visited brothels and sensual massage places. Basically, since we are together. He has done it since 20 years.

Today I still feel numb. And I am so so confused! How can you live and love someone and not see that he is acting out like this. Even though, looking back, it now all makes sense. It´s like I finally found the missing puzzle piece.

After the revelation of the affair, he kept saying that he feels so relieved that everything is out and that I know everything now. I should have known better!

We both are committed to make our relationship all it can be.I see that he wants to become a better man. He still tries hard. Every day.

But now I wonder if we can? I understood the “why” of the affair. I did not approve but accepted that emotional betrayal. But can I accept all the other betrayals as well?

He says that he only did it for the excitement, for the thrill of doing something forbidden. Less for sexual satisfaction. He says that this part of his life belonged only to him. He also says that he did not like it, but he could not stop it.

I don't understand. I just don't understand.

Any first aid advice out there?

I didn't understand either when I learned, first, that my husband was having an affair and, then six months later, that he had had multiple sexual encounters. But there I was, trying to make sense of it all. And what I've learned is this: I will never understand how he was able to conduct this double life. But I can accept that he did. I can accept that his compulsion was powerful enough to override his own value system and his love of his family. I can accept that he believed the stories he told himself, that nobody was getting hurt, that he was just "different" than other people with a stronger sex drive. But I couldn't accept any of that until he sought help. In my case, he had reached out for help before I learned about the sex addiction. The exposure of his affair opened the door for him to admit he had a serious problem that threatened everything that mattered to him. It was up to him to discover what drove his behaviour. My job was only to accept it had happened and move on. It was my choice, also, whether to move on with him in my life or without. But the accepting was, for me, not optional. Because not accepting was a denial of reality. He had cheated on me with many many people. All the wishing in the world wasn't going to change that. And like you discovered, accepting offers us the chance for peace.  

This is the job in front of you now. To accept that his behaviour is his to understand. To recognize that hurt people hurt people. That they behave in ways that harm themselves as well as those they love. That they behave in ways that exploits others as well as exploiting their own values.

Oddly, I think understanding has come for me, if slightly. I understand that my husband had never learned how to manage deeply painful feelings from growing up in an oppressive, abusive home. Sex was an escape for him. It took him out of his day-to-day life into something of a trance – he was either seeking it, arranging it, or engaging in it. Immediately following, he was filled with shame and regret and would tell himself, 'not again'. Until the next time. It was addictive behaviour. And addictive behaviour rarely makes sense to those of us who aren't addicts. 

I wish you peace, again. I think you'll find it. 

15 comments:

  1. Thanks for sharing. This is something I struggle with everyday. How does a man go through day after day, year after year of saying he loves me, that we are so special, that he and I are soul mates, loves his kids, makes a new baby and still prostitute after prostitute, massage after massage.. lives a double life along side. He is remorseful and he is seeing a therapist/sex addiction group etc but how do I move on knowing that this man, my soulmate lied, deceived and disrespected me for so long? And the disgust in allowing your body to touch all those women.. is a whole other thing! How does one allow himself to stoop so low - paying people to touch you and then come back to say you love your wife? How do such monsters exist and in what world can I ever have the powers to get over such a betrayal. I’m really feeling like my life is over and I don’t know what to do with it anymore other than continue to pretend for the sake of my kids. One person, has changed everything - I’m so angry I gave him the power to.

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  2. Posts like this just raise more questions for me. On one hand we decide to rebuild our relationship and our spouse shows remorse and is doing all the right things to repair the crisis he caused, we start to relax and to live life again in this fresh relationship. On the other hand, he could still have long hidden or current secrets even though he says he's "relieved it's all out in the open". How do you EVER know? How do you trust yourself around this master of disguise? It seems like he's changed and is a better man, but is he, really? I feel like I'm just supposed to move forward with this new found perception of the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I want to believe he is now "all in" on our relationship, but how can you ever be sure?

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  3. My husband, while not seeking out prostitutes, kept up a schedule of one night stands with women while on frequent out of town travel. While my D-Day is 2 1/2 years past, I still struggle by how calculated and impersonal his behavior was. I took comfort at first by telling myself that he cared not one bit about these women. But then I realized that the dispassionate nature of it all was actually scary to me. It was using other people's bodies to quell whatever emotional turbulence was roiling him, and that sickened me. I have had a lot of therapy around this mess, and we have worked extensively with a marriage counselor who is wonderful. He has dug deep into family of origin issues that explains a lot of his behavior. I have found some measure of peace in focusing on today, and on the progress we have made. But I would be lying if I didn't admit that I still experience moments of despair around the magnitude of this betrayal. I wish you peace, and healing as you move forward.

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  4. Paying beautiful young Asian women for sex on a regular basis is something I never imagined my husband would do but like Elle said, I accept that he did it. He was an addict. He believes he understands things now he never knew before based on his early childhood traumas, especially around inappropriate sexual encounters. I am not an addict and I will never understand doing something over and over and hating yourself for doing it again. I see that he has changed and that he likes himself and how he has changed. We take it one day at a time and look forward and not back. We are not going back anymore. Like Elle's husband, mine understands now that he had zero ability to manage or deal with negative emotions. As a young child he had many sexual experiences that were confusing yet made him feel good and that is how he coped. Not the best way to grow up. We rebuild every day. Five years post D-day and neither of us ever imagined we would be living this new life, happy and laughing.

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  5. I just don't know if I will ever have peace. DDay #3 happened. I haven't been an active member for awhile now because I have been just attempting to survive this last year after dday 2 so I will be quick on my story. Several years ago, the OW privately messaged me to ask my husband to leave her alone. Needless to say I was shell shocked. He had been pursuing her "as friends" of course so nothing physical happened but he did attempt to kiss her once to which she blocked him on everything and then told me. Dday #2, was just over a year ago. He had to resign or get accused of sexual harrassment. After hearing about everything regarding work stuff, I asked him if he had slept with anyone else and he admitted to having 2 affairs in the past year with several sexual encounters some being in my house on our basement couch. I kicked him out this time, made him tell our kids that its because he made bad choices (so they don't know exactly what happened). We reconciled after a couple of months with the PROMISES that he would do NO MORE betraying of ANY kind. Last week dday #3, I decided on a whim to look up his internet searches and he was looking up porn. To me this is the last straw and I just can't anymore. I don't want to be with him anymore, there is no way I can trust him now. To me porn is a gateway to physical and its unacceptable. I want to divorce him but I don't want to destroy me kids AGAIN. so what do i do? I feel like I can't breathe. I literally wish I would just drop off the face of the earth so I didn't have to make this decision. All he is is empty promises. Sadly, I expected this to happen. I feel like a damn fool for giving him another chance. I wish I had walked away the last time. Now my kids will have to have their own dday #2 and I don't want to break their hearts. But I am so damn tired of mine constantly breaking...

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  6. cont.. If i had this 7 years ago, I would be so much more healed by now. I hope this is something that you would devote a tweet or blog post to. This particular episode I think can help guide all those spouses who are looking for good guidance in recovery https://helpingcouplesheal.com/a-conversation-with-dr-rob-weiss/

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  7. It broke my heart. But I would just say, be strong. Addiction needs therapy and treatment. But with sex and with cheating, we cannot simply wait for the person to get done with his acts. We cannot trust him that he will not do it again, because he will. The best solution in such a case is moving out . And that is the best thing you did. You deserve happiness. Much love.

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  8. Listen to your heart, quiet the chatter out and follow your heart.

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  9. hello, I’ve been following this page since my own DDay 7 months ago. I’ve decided to finally ask for advice on something that has been bothering me every single day. How much do I need to know? In the case of multiple affairs and one night stands, and in the interest of healing my marriage? How much information should I ask for? I’ve chosen to know very little, as I know I cannot unknow things. But the made up mind movies are Daily and excruciating. I can’t seem to get past them. Any advice is welcome.

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    1. Dustykan, I'm no professional but from what I've read and what I know first hand...... everyone's level of knowing details is different. I'm a highly functioning "OCD" personality. So details and more details were where I functioned best. However there was at least for me, a price to pay until I completely understood my true obsession of said need for details. Yes one aspect was to squelch the 3D triple X shit playing out in my head but the bigger issue for me was twofold. One to see if my H was willing to be vulnerable and bare his soul and tell the truth the other was on somewhat a sadistic level to see if he was suffering as he spoke. None of which truely aided in my recovering. I'll admit at times I did feel pleasure when I knew this detail info sharing made him uneasy but that was always short lived. I know in my heart that I will probably never know all the details but I'm starting to get to the point that I've consiously decided it's not important anymore and i will Not allow it to control or define me. So I would say to you.... you have the power and the right to ask any and all questions you need answers to just be sure you completely understand the "why" you need it and make sure your strong within yourself to cope with his answers if he chooses not only to answer them but also to answer honestly.

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  10. I have longed for this interaction. My husband of 20 years has cheated on me at least 41 times Including giving me an STD, friends, prostituites, an abortion, our HOME etc.. Trying to find a support group in my area for SAA is all about porn addiction. Just finding someone who understands the MAGNITUDE has been difficult and although his sister had a very similar experience she left her husband. Finding a group that understands and understands that I am entertaining the thought of staying has proven impossible. The support groups ive attended, the women didn’t even discuss the cheating, just that they were worried about covid. I needed to read this, i need to know how to stop the visions. How to stop the invasion of thoughts

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    1. I'm glad you found us and so sorry for all you're going through. I remember the absolute shock of discovering that my husband had been unfaithful to me the entirety of our relationship. The magnitude of the betrayal... It is possible to rebuild a healthy, loving, meaningful marriage. I hope he's sought help for his sex addiction. Re: how to stop the visions, the intrusive thoughts: Please, if you haven't already, find a counsellor to support you through this, preferably one who understands sex addiction. There are things you can do: Post a big stop sign somewhere you'll see it when your thoughts start racing. Wear an elastic band on your wrist and give it a snap when your thoughts start to wander. Anything to distract you and remind you that you're going down a rabbit hole. And, hate to say it, but time. It does get better with time. But, when you can, go for a walk, get lost in a movie, call a friend. And please, remind yourself that his behaviour was never about love or sexiness or anything like that. It was desperation. It was like scratching a relentless itch for him. It was about relief from his own pain, just temporarily, because he lacked emotional skills.
      In the meantime, my heart goes out to you. You'll get through this. I promise

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  11. Thank you, dear Elle. Just discovered your re-post today.
    The road of accepting is hard. But I know that I can get there.

    However, my challenge of the last weeks was to make my husband aware of his sexually compulsive behavior. The first time I named him a sex addict he strongly refused to be called like that. He wasn´t aware at all that his acting out is an addictive compulsive behavior. Neither was I.

    Unfortunately, there are huge misconceptions about sex addiction in our society. I didn´t know what sex addiction was, well I never had to, right?

    Luckily, you and my therapist made me aware of it. So, I dived into this world and learned so much. I also spoke to two really good therapist specialized in sex addiction. Learning that sex addiction is far less about sex but more about fantasy and anticipation and that it is actually a brain-based disease was so helpful to hear.

    And it weaponed me. It helped me to convince my husband that he needs to seek appropriate help (not any random counselor from a helping-platform).

    I suffered so much because it felt there was no hope, no future for us. Unless he seeks help. As you said I can´t fix him. He needs to fix himself. And now he does.

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    1. Breathe,
      Knowledge is power, right? We can't fix what we don't name. I hope he does seek help. Sex addiction isn't an excuse but it provides a framework for healing from compulsive behaviour that is used to self-medicate. Sex feels good, right? Wanting sex is exciting. It's a total escape from things he doesn't want to think about or feel -- loneliness, mortality, failure, whatever. I'm glad you're feeling somewhat empowered. But yes, it's his job to address it. Your job is to take care of you.

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    2. Sex addiction isn't an excuse! Needed to hear that, dear Elle! In my head, this addiction thing was already excusing too much of his behavior – what a mind trap! Thanks.

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