Friday, June 19, 2020

Infidelity Grief: The Death of the Life You Thought Was Yours

Grief feels bigger than sadness, more all-encompassing, threatening to retrieve every shard of loss and sorrow from the past. It can feel like a weight on the chest, leaden limbs, dulled thinking. It veils the eyes and shutters out the light. It's physical; it yawns open its maw like a Grand Canyon slash in the earth. There is no crossing from one rim to respite on the other rim without going down into the wound.
~Kathy Karn, photographer/retired psychotherapist

One of the things we least expect to feel in the wake of betrayal is grief. Which is why so many of us don't recognize it even as we're experiencing it. Grief is about death, right? It seemed unfortunate on D-Day that my husband was very much alive. Being a widow struck me as far preferable to being a betrayed wife. But there he was, alive and appallingly well. So...why would I feel grief? 
Murderous rage? That made more sense. Sadness? Sure. But though I didn't recognize it for a very long time, I was grieving. And I didn't recognize it in part because our culture doesn't associate grief with infidelity. 
It should. Betrayal ushers in a death. Of the marriage we thought we had. The life we thought we knew. The man we thought we could trust. There's so much loss in betrayal. So much, yes, death. Hence...grief.
Dammit, huh? Cause grief doesn't take the short road. Grief meanders, never in a rush. It lingers. Which is bad news for those of us who just want this to be over. To get back to "normal". To move past this ache.
Psychotherapist Kathy Karn notes that grief feels all-encompassing, "like a Grand Canyon slash in the earth". We can imaging falling in but can scarcely believe we'll emerge. But the thing with grief, if we give ourselves the chance to trust the process, is that we'll not only emerge, we'll emerge carrying the seeds of transformation within us. 
It's a bittersweet thought. I remember hearing all of that "suffering makes us grow" stuff and even while I hoped it was true, I resented it. I didn't want to grow. I wanted to not be in so much pain. The idea of grief was more than could bear. It meant that this wasn't something I was going to "get over" quickly. Grief requires time and patience and I was out of both. 
The thing with grief, however, is that there's no fighting it. It casts its shadow over us whether we try to move into the sunlight or night. The best approach, we learn, is to stop resisting it. Stop pretending that this pain has a quick-fix, stop pretending that something didn't die. Stop pretending and give in to the reality that grief is going to be our companion for a long while.
And when we stop resisting grief, we can begin, well, grieving. We can remember to be more gentle with ourselves. We can try and judge ourselves less harshly. And when we allow ourselves to grieve – to feel the pain and the loss – our hearts become a wee bit less restricted. Like the hand squeezing them loosens its grip just slightly. And then slightly more. 
Because though grief doesn't gallop, it isn't immobile either. There is respite on the other side, as Karn reminds us, but not without going into the wound.
And so we descend. Into grief. Moving through it like wet cement. 
The day will come when we climb out. Not all at once, perhaps, but finger by finger, limb by limb. Moment by moment.
And when we have emerged, we will see that grief was never the enemy, but the guide.
It's crucial that we keep our hearts soft or grief will have done nothing but knock against a hardened heart.

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  1. Thank you - I needed this today. How I’ve missed you!! I hope you are well ❤️

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    1. I am well, Natanangel. Sorry I've been kinda slacking on the posting. Life under quarantine is busy and my brain is having a hard time focussing!

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  2. I have to leave.
    I'm feeling paralyzed with fear but I have to leave.

    My kids are young and I do not want to share my babies with someone with such low morals. I don't make very much money either, but mostly I don't want to share my babies.
    I first caught him 4 years ago and then again last year. Never physical, but still hurtful and disrespectful. And then tonight he was looking at a racy Instagram of the 2nd woman (and just to throw another wrench in the mix, he's related to her).

    He doesn't know I know about tonight.

    I don't know how to do this.

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    1. I am so sorry that he did not heal himself and has betrayed you again. I have no words of advice, but know you are heard. 😢

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  3. Thank you Elle. Your words are a balm. Yes, so much grief. What in the world. How do I know the place, however, where I might be wallowing? At what point am I allowed to distract myself from the pain? (Innumerable shows I could be watching from the comfort of my bed!) A mentor recently told me "FEEL the feeling, but don't FEED the feeling". I'm not sure where the line between feeling and feeding is. Right now I'm sitting in my room having a hard time being productive. It's noon and I've gone on a walk and had breakfast. Check, check. But there's lots more I could be doing with my time. Instead I'm staring into space and wondering - feeling some fear about - how my friendships are going to shake out (husband had affair with a close friend - same circle of friends, same church, same schools, kids are friends, the works) and I'm feeling so very, very alone. We're a year-and-a-half out from d-day, and other people are moving on. Of course they are. The nature of the situation itself is awkward due to all the friend/school/church entanglements. People who I considered kind and dependable friends have pulled away from me to "care" for the OW (who is now divorced). Maybe they see that husband/I are still together and they assume we're "doing better". I know it must be difficult for friends who are caught in the middle, trying not to take sides. I want them to extend grace to my husband (the jerk) so I have to expect they'll extend grace to my ex-friend as well. I just feel so fucking alone. So much of the time. I'm working my ass off doing inner work as well as marital - the hardest work of my 40 years thus far - and I need people to see, acknowledge and affirm that work. But it rarely happens. Maybe they just don't get it, bc how can you really if you haven't walked the road? Or fallen into the canyon, as it were. Maybe standing close to me/us is just too painful. I don't know. Wishing I had a fairy godmother who could flit up to certain friends of mine, swat them on the nose with her wand, and say "Pay attention! Your friend is still hurting. She needs you extending invitations, checking in on her every week, and telling her she's a bad ass."

    Also, if there is anyone on here who has survived a double betrayal, stayed in the community where it happened, and lived to experience joy again, please share your story. I need to hear it.

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    1. Hi Jana, I hope those who've experienced a double betrayal will weigh in. It's crucial to know we're not alone in our pain. And please know that you're not. My husband's betrayal brought about a huge reckoning, not just within my marriage but my entire life. I began to evaluate all my relationships using a different metric. And I continue to. I can be hard when we've felt somewhat ensconced in a community to recognize that not all share our value system and not all the courage to live with integrity when it means having uncomfortable conversations or alliances. But what I'm hoping you can to is challenge your closest friends to do exactly that -- to not just recognize your pain but for you to be able to communicate it to them. And I hope, when you tell them that you continue to need their support and their caring, that they can show up for you. Betrayal brings up a whole lot of stuff for others too and even those who love us can often disappoint us in their ability to be there with us in our pain. What I learned was that I did have a few people who could...and that was enough. There were those who couldn't and it hurt a lot.
      As for feeling the pain vs. feeding the pain, it strikes me that you sound like you're doing pretty well navigating that. It's an imperfect science, of course. But what I think is that we don't seek out the pain -- ie. driving past the OW's house, or stalking her social media, or otherwise picking at a scab. Rather when those feelings come up, we allow ourselves to feel them ("ouch, that hurt when my daughter reminded me that this time last year we were vacationing together" or whatever) but also trust that they will pass. None of us feels any one thing forever. Be gentle with yourself when you're hurting and then urge yourself on when you're feeling better. When you find yourself staring into space trying to imagine a future (without a crystal ball), I think that's a good cue to find something to distrct yourself with. You simply don't know how things will play out and all the wondering in the world isn't going to change that. Better to focus on somethign that gives you some measure of pleasure or just relief -- a book, a walk, a call with a good friend, a board game with your kids, whatever.
      Hang in there, Jana. You are part of a shitty club none of us wanted but that is populated by the strongest, fiercest, wisest women I've ever known.

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    2. Dang. Thank you. Really needed a pep talk just for me today. My husband asked me to read your response aloud and I could feel my throat tightening up. Thank you Elle.

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    3. Hi Jana,
      I think my betrayal wasn't a double but maybe a one and a half. The OW was new to our circle and our community of very close preschool families. Her son and my son were the same age and were developing a friendship. It was super painful because I felt like my husband decided to trash my whole life. I was able to gather up some friends and allies and they hung by me and the OW moved on with her friends and eventually we moved on to other schools. So I can't offer you much in advice, but I had to do a lot of grieving over the loss of the sanctity of my sweet community that I treasured deeply. I had to gather up the pieces that remained, mourn what was shattered, help myself through the feelings of humiliation, accept that people weren't going to get it, and find inner strength to carry on with my dignity. I wasn't able to talk to those friends about how much I needed support but I was able to be honest and vulnerable with my sisters and mother. They listened but to wasn't until 5 years later that they started to get it. More recently they have shared how wise, strong, and inspiring they think I am. So forge on in finding who you are in this, regardless of whether people are able to give you what you need. If there are people you trust to hold your pain, share it with them without expectation of them "getting it" but and maybe you can thank them for just listening.

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    4. MBS, thanks for sharing part of your story. Hard for me to read, but necessary. And you sound like a wise woman. Curious, how are you and your husband now? Again, thank you.

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    5. Hi Jana,
      I too experienced a double betrayal. Two knives in the back instead of one. Family friend, my husbands administrative assistant, 17 years younger than he was, and we were best friends with her in-laws. What a cluster. The embarrassment and the shame seemed unsurmountable. I insisted that my husband quit his job. He did and had to take a cut in pay. Our finances were decreased because he wanted to feel like a big man...Infidelity - the gift that keeps on giving.
      Almost all of our ties have been severed with the social group that we had. I just could not do it. I actually only told 2 people (who were not in this same group of friends) and they were my rocks. I know you still want to talk about it and need a sounding board. That alone feeling is all too familiar to me as well. No one will really understand your needs unless they have gone through it themselves. I know I did not know the extent of the damage this could cause until it happened to me. But as Elle says choose one friend that you think just might and talk to her.
      In case you are wondering my husband is totally ashamed and humbled. He is a different person than he was 5 years ago and so am I. For the first time in our marriage ( over 30 years now) I care more about myself than him. I still have moments that hurt like hell. I still have moments that I want to reach out and strangle the other woman. There is something about the other woman portraying themselves as a victim and a saint that gets under my skin. But this all passes and does not last for long but I imagine it will be at least a fleeting feeling I have for the rest of my life.
      This will leave you scarred but it gets better. I had a therapist say to me why was I ashamed because my integrity was still intact? He was right. Once I realized it was not my job to make my husband a better man it released me from a lot of anxiety and pressure I was putting on myself. You can do this I just know you can.

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    6. I won't lie. It has been an incredibly long 7 years. Like you, I was willing to extend grace and work together on recovery. But we separated 2 years ago. I tried really hard for the first 5 years after d-day to have him get it and do marriage recovery that felt authentic to me. We had crappy therapy and he was clearly self absorbed and limited on empathy, even though the affair was done. I finally had him move out. It was the best decision I made in all of this. I am more at peace and it pushed him to take even bigger steps towards not being an a-hole. We were in the middle of a last ditch counseling effort right when covid hit. So we are in limbo. I really don't know if I want him back but I want us to find some peace and maintain a friendship as we have 2 kids and do enjoy each others company. But I love building a live separate from him and learning to build my own friendships without being part of a couple.

      Re: your first post. I wish someone would write a guide (Elle?) on how to support your friend who has been cheated on. I don't blame people, but like death, people don't really know how to be with you in grief and pain. When you have been cheated on, it is even more complicated.

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    7. Jana,
      I had a double betrayal and the OW was a member of our social club. We had just begun socializing with this group as our kids were grown and leaving the nest. She befriended my H and then me. He didn't even see it coming. She worked on him for a few years before throwing herself at him one night when he was alone. She waited for a vulnerable time in his life too. Just lost a best friend and had some other MLC issues that she knew about. He had other female friends and no one ever crossed boundaries. Today is my 1 year antiversary from Dday. It has been a heartwrenching year. I have grieved. I have sobbed. I have had days that I couldn't get out of bed. It gets better! Hang in there! To make matters worse, I had an altercation with the OW that resulted in her and her friend attacking me and me getting arrested. So that has made it even worse for how people are treating me in this social circle. I'm not sure who knows what. We think she is going around telling people, including her husband, that my H was enamored with her and she was just his friend and I'm the crazy jealous wife. She was very slick. She would text him, "We're both married" but then couldn't keep her hands off him when they were alone. She even told him to his face, "Nothing happened." We've come to the realization that we don't care what people think anymore. We are together. One thing about infidelity - you find out who your true friends are. They can have her friendship over ours, but they are risking the same fate. She is a serial homewrecker and has a string of broken marriages under her belt. We now know of 2 neighbors and a family that she met when her child was in preschool. My husband found this our during the affair. For the most part, she has stayed away from the club, except for the monthly meetings, when I can not be there but my H is. He doesn't look her in the face. He hates her and is ashamed of what he did and can't believe it himself that he was capable of doing it. She showed up recently with her H and hung out with another couple, her next victim, we presume. I'm hoping that the other couples shun her and she slithers away.

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    8. Anonymous - "For the first time in our marriage I care more about myself than him." I thought I was caring for myself all those years - I was trying to - but nowadays I sense a difference between the self-care of taking a weekend away by my lonesome (I still do this and recommend to anyone who can afford it) versus the self-care of filling my own spirit first, day-in-day-out. Of thinking about MY needs and what I need to thrive. Also..."There is something about the other woman portraying themselves as a victim and a saint that gets under my skin." YEP!!!
      And thanks for that last little boost at the end ("you can do this, I know you can").

      MBS - Thanks for sharing more of your story. Sorry to hear about the separation but it's encouraging to hear that you're feeling empowered by living on your own AND that you're hopeful about a new sort of friendship with your husband. "I wish someone would write a guide (Elle?) on how to support your friend who has been cheated on." YES!!! Elle??? Or maybe the 487 followers of this page could all co-author :)
      "I don't blame people, but like death, people don't really know how to be with you in grief and pain. When you have been cheated on, it is even more complicated." I once listened to a woman whose adult daughter died suddenly talk about grief's "secondary losses". For her, the secondary loss was that she had lost her personal shoe-shopping buddy. She and her daughter would always go shoe-shopping together, and her daughter would advise her mom on what looked best. For me, one of my secondary losses is the disintegration of the circle of friends we had - it won't ever be the same. And you're right, people in general seem to have a hard time holding the grief. It's easier to be friends with others who have less heartache swirling around them.

      True_Love_91 - Ugh. Sorry to hear about all the drama, but I appreciate you sharing. What does MLC mean? "They can have her friendship over ours, but they are risking the same fate." I've heard my ex-friend called "manipulative" by more than one, yet people are still attempting to mend their friendships with her. I worry that she is using her "techniques" - the same ones that apparently worked on my husband - to seduce our mutual friends back into her corner. But also, what can I do? Like you said, they risk the same fate. I don't understand how she destroys her family, almost destroys mine, and seemingly gets to keep all the friends. It doesn't make sense. Then again, none of this does.

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  4. Another great post Elle. I just passed the 5 year D-day mark. Nothing was said between us but I believe there was a silent acknowledgement that "we don't need to revisit that day, that pain and that experience" again. When I read, "Betrayal ushers in a death. Of the marriage we thought we had. The life we thought we knew. The man we thought we could trust. There's so much loss in betrayal. So much, yes, death. Hence...grief." That grief you speak about, the grief that really amounts to a whole lot of losses is something that cannot be fixed or changed. What's done is done. I still cannot really see myself married to this man prior to his disclosure to me. I know I was married 35 years at the time of his disclosure. We have a lot of years together but when I look back on those years I still cannot reconcile the life I had, the life I lived, the experiences I had with him and my children, and reflect on that as "our life" even though it was. He lived one life and I lived another even though I thought we lived the same life. He knew all about his secret life and I did not. Now that we live in a new place with new friends and share different and new experiences it really never ceases to amaze me when someone asks about how we got "here" meaning where we now live in our senior retirement community 1800 miles from our children and grandchildren and I give the short version of this story. What amazes me is when I say something like, "We raised our kids, took care of our parents and never did a whole lot together because of careers and family responsibilities, etc until we moved here and get the response, "Same with us!" We are playing golf together three times a week among other things like scheduling pool times and outdoor concerts. We did not make the trek back "home" this summer as it feels much safer being here. The loss of my prior life is not as pronounced in my heart anymore. I've accepted that my old "marriage" just died thanks to him but it was dead for decades only I did not know it. Life is better here and now. I am happier than I've been in a long time. A different kind of happy. I feel secure in who I am, my abilities to be alone or with him, and my ability to take care of myself. I can make decisions about things I want and not fear his response. I think my adult kids have grown too with our move. They all support us staying here although this is the first time we will have gone a year without seeing them. My daughter turned 38 today. First time I've missed her birthday but she has a husband and children and in-laws who love her and treat her well. That brings me peace. I've been wondering how you were doing with all this and your "teens". Thanks for posting. Hugs and love to all.

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    1. That's a really incredible story, Beach Girl. And it's one I suspect sounds a lot like most, if we'd admit it. It's like there are two marriages: the starter marriage (in which we raise kids, build career, make a home) and the mature marriage, which may or may not be with the same person but which is more based on a genuine connection. In my case, my starter marriage grew into my mature marriage but, without that time of reckoning, I suspect we'd be divorced. If we hadn't found a way to come together and grow together...

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  5. Hi Jana,

    I am two years out from a doozy of a betrayal. An almost ten year betrayal with a women who was once what I thought To be a good friend. She ended our friendship after about 2 years with no explanation. Turns out, she felt she needed to choose and she liked my husband better. Apparently mutual friends had figured it out and told her to either break it off or quit seeing me as it would be more painful to me. I mean, they could have given me a heads up too, but nope. I am no longer friends with any of them. They were all imposters. The dumb woman thought she was special even though she knew that she wasn’t the only affair partner. She even thought they would be together when my husband finally came clean (he said he couldn’t take the stress anymore and the only way out was to come clean)��‍♀️. He dropped her immediately, happily, even when our marriage wa a thought to be over at the time. Somehow, we hung on. Two years now, and things are better. Yes, I have a lot of healing left to do, but I am happy again. I can breathe! The endless tears have dried. We did move to a new home and community 14 miles from the old place.( she lived 3 miles up the road so I needed out). I was honest with all our mutual “friends”.... the women have shunned her and stayed my friend. I have not had these women around my husband as I don’t expect or want them to forgive him. If they forgive him they would also forgive her and I don’t want that to happen. Luckily, our “couples” friends never knew her so we have stayed friends with them and we have chosen not to tell them although my husband has told me I can if it helps me.

    When the pain creeps in and I start questioning the “cheating years” and what was real vs fake it helps me to remember that “fuck this, it was all real. I lived it. I was present. I made memories. I raised beautiful kids. I loved.” I end up feeling sorry for his pathetic self as his memories are the ones tarnished. He missed out on authenticity and vulnerability... and just always being present. That’s his loss and shame to carry forever. And her ??? ���� what a sad sack of nothing. She followed my husband and hung on every word for nearly a decade to be dropped in a day. The delusions of being “loved” that woman must have had. I mean really..// he saw you when and if it was convenient, told you he would never leave his wife for you, kept you a shameful secret, and yet you still held on to some delusional fantasy that you mattered to him?���� he had the financial means to leave and she knew it. Hell, he could have put her up in an apartment had he wanted and I would have never known. She was a pathetic woman and my husband was a broken asshole. He said the affair went on so long because he was a selfish coward. Keeping it going when he admitted it was often tiring and boring was easier than facing the consequences of what he had done so the idiot “kicked the can down the road”. �������� anyways, I wish you healing. It can happen with or without your marriage. I found my healing really began when I quit thinking about my marriage or husband. I got selfish. I looked after me and my kids. My needs and wants were all that mattered. He stayed. He was present. He still is. I still love him, but it’s not the same. It never will be again, but that’s okay. It’s still good. I am a whole and happy person on my own. He is an important relationship in my life, but he does not compete it or make me “whole”. I am happy and whole with just myself. He can enhance my life. He will never be my life or even half of it. I hope that makes sense.

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    1. Sv,
      Wow. Your words should be read by every betrayed wife. Though I would argue you didn't "get selfish", you did what every woman needs to do, especially after betrayal, which is to honour herself, to treat herself and her wants/needs with dignity and respect. We all need to do that. Consequently, we show up in our relationships whole, which is so much healthier than expecting someone else to make us whole. I hope Jana reads your post. Thank-you so much for sharing it.

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    2. Sv, you simply rock. Your strength comes through light a lightening bolt. My husband had a brief "affair" with a secretary (two times) and went on to have a career with prostitutes all over the place so my story is a little different yet the same. Same pain, same history. For decades I thought I needed him to make me whole but living through the last five years I have learned, with much counseling, guidance and Elle, that I was always whole on my own. That is a great description too. My husband does enhance my life in so many ways but he will never again be my rock. I am my own anchor and he can anchor himself next to me if he wants. I am really enjoying my new life after the most painful betrayal and I am convinced that I will continue to be able to be whole. Thanks for sharing your story.

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    3. Sv, thank you so much for your response. I am only a year-and-a-half out but sensing there is a genuine freedom in taking care of only myself and our kids. Of course I am wanting my husband to proceed with various healthy behaviors he's taken on since d-day but also realizing that I cannot force him to do so. I had a mentor tell me last week "whether he meditates or attends recovery group is none of your business - take care of yourself." Being so "selfish" - or as Elle put it, self-honoring - seems key. Appreciate you sharing.

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    4. Sv,
      Your words are so true. I wrote something very similar to Jana. It is liberating not to "need" my husband. I choose to stay for a variety of reasons but I do not and never will again "need" him to make me feel like I am complete. Never. Again.

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  6. Hi I’m new to all of this, my partner of 11 years had an affair for about 9 months, we have two young children together. I have only found out this year in jan, I was beyond gutted and shattered. My whole life had been ripped out from under me as I’m sure you all no that feeling, I have decided to take him back and re start so far things are going well, he’s been great with the kids and more communication then we ever have in 11 years! I’m still sad, I still cry I still have certain triggers and need constant reassurance which he does give me. I still feel like am I doing the right thing I’m unsure, some days I’m great and I can see our future then other days I’m a wreck and keep thinking of the betrayal and makes me so mad! I’m just wondering is it actually possible to restart again, I just keep having doubts and it makes me so nervous? Is this normal? Please someone weigh in, thank you, my heart goes out to you all. I’m so glad I stumbled upon this forum :)

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    1. Hi Anonymous,
      I'm sorry you need to be here but glad you found us. Everything you're experiencing sounds quite normal, under the circumstances. I'm sure, as you read this site, you'll discover so many others like you who are on this roller coaster. Healing from betrayal takes a long time to feel well and truly past it. I'm glad your husband is able to support you and show up for you in your pain. That goes a LONG way toward helping you heal individually and as a couple and I hope he knows it. What you are doing is rebuilding a sense of emotional safety in the relationship.
      Hang in there, Anonymous. You're among friends here.

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    2. Welcome to the club that no one wishes they joined, 1 year past dday today after my H had a yearlong affair with an acquaintance. Some of my story is above. I'm sorry for your pain. It is heartwrenching but it can get better. Hopefully your H has cut off all communication with the AP and is going for counseling. You should go for counseling too. If you can get help with the kids, get help. My kids were grown, the youngest 17, but I was taking care of my elderly mother. It was rough. I needed someone to take care of me. It sounds like your H is trying to do that. I hope he realizes he has a lot of work to do.

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    3. "I needed someone to take care of me." This, a 1000x this. We forget this, in our devastation and, too often, our shame. We go quiet. We cut off friends. And we harm ourselves when we don't ask for the support we need. It can be hard. Too often, friends, rather than just treating our situation like a horrible diagnosis (infidelity interruptus) and responding with soup and shoulders to cry on, instead become judgemental, making us feel emotionally unsafe. I wish for every single one of you that you have someone in your life who can treat you with gentle nurturing kindness, without judgement.

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  7. Thank you so much Elle got your reply, I was debating whether or not I uploaded it properly lol. I read a lot of self help books and I also am very in touch with myself spiritually, I also do kinesiology which has helped me so much. It’s just those days when it’s up and down and am I doing the right thing and I no society has put that image out as once a cheater always a cheater and we have adapated that. But I don’t believe it, like I said I’ve seen so many changes in him lately but then the old ego comes in and says how long will it last what happens when he gets bored again. I just wanted to hear other woman speak that it can be ok and work out.

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    1. Hi Bingo, It makes sense, of course, that we're nervous. We're being asked to re-commit to someone who's revealed himself to be capable of lying and deception and cheating. Which is why it's crucial that we see them do the work (or see the results of the work they're doing). Slowly, with time, they earn back our trust by showing us that they don't want to be that guy. The day I knew I could stay was the day my husband told me that whether or not I stayed with him, he was sick of who he was and never wanted to walk that path again. And then I watched while he became that better guy -- learned how to manage his feelings better, sought out support groups and therapy, and listened to me when I railed. Assured me that he too hated the guy he was and the things he did. We were on the same team. We both hated that guy. And that makes all the difference.

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    2. Bingo,
      The first year is too difficult for words. A roller coaster of emotions.
      I think after an affair it can be ok but it will be different. As long as your husband is committed to your relationship ( totally broken it off with the OW, 100% transparent, and accepts his responsibility, etc..) then it can work. I do believe this. But it is a mind game for the one who has been betrayed. I clearly remember that as soon as I starting feeling comfortable I would panic. That if I wasn't on high alert I was going to miss something. I was literally the person waiting for the other shoe to drop. Eventually I came to understand that the no matter how vigilant I was I had to give up trying to control all outcomes. It's scary. It's difficult. But it's freeing too.

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  8. Thank you so much, it’s really nice to hear. It’s Definately a mind game, even now when I’m the slightest bit happy it’s like I have to bring up the affair again because it’s like if I don’t remind him that he did what he did he’ll firget and I’ll still feel sad. I try focus on the future I no that focussing on what happened doesn’t do anyone any good especially me! He’s Definately broken it off with the OW he’s changed his number email the works just to be safe as she was abit of a nut!

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    1. Bingo,
      I can promise you what you are feeling is what everyone who has been betrayed systematically goes through. I told my husband it is like I have a bucket and it slowly starts filling up with triggers, sadness, bad thoughts, insecurities, etc. Eventually I need to empty the bucket because I can’t carry it anymore. That’s when I would bring up his affair to him and we would take some time to talk about it. He started asking me at random times “ how’s your bucket?” This meant a lot to have him ask and not me just constantly bringing it up. His asking reminded me that he holds himself accountable. After so many years it takes a long time to fill that bucket but we still talk about it every once I awhile. It gets better. I promise.

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  9. My partner and I have just gotten back together. But today I found out that she cheated on me for 3 months before we broke up the first time. We were in a bad place and then things just got worse when she started acting distant, was hanging out with her "friends" all the time and was always on the phone with her "dad". I had the feeling that something was going on and I asked her like a hundred times but she kept lying and denying it. We broke up eventually but after a year she decided that she wanted me back. Now a few days after we got back together she finally told me the truth. I just feel so numb. I haven't even cried yet. I feel like I'm in a horrible nightmare. My first instinct was to leave her, forget everything. But she chased me and asked me to give her a chance. I decided to stay with her, to try to fix everything for the sake of our dreams and our future. I want to start over but I don't know where to start. The pain is unimaginable. No one deserves to go through something like this.

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    1. Anonymous,
      Yes, that pain of betrayal is excruciating. It feels primal -- it goes to the root of what we think we're worth, how valued we are.
      But...it is survivable and, with time and work, can mean a richer, deeper relationship for having weathered the storm.
      What I would be asking of her is that she seek counselling to determine why she risked losing you. What was she seeking outside the relationship? Any why is she back? I imagine she's done a lot of soul-searching over this past year -- I hope so, in any case. But it's important for her to really understand what she's done, the deep pain it has caused you, and how to ensure she has the skills necessary to be fully honest in a relationship.
      I would also encourage you to seek counselling so that you have the support you need to process this pain.
      As well, please know (if you don't already) that her cheating has nothing to do with you. As we often say on this site, "she didn't cheat because there's something wrong with you; she cheated because there's something wrong with her" and it's her job to figure out what that is.
      That's not to say a relationship doens't have its problems. All relationships do. Which is why it's crucial to have communication skills and mutual respect in order to navigate those challenges without resorting to the worst thing one can do -- cheat.
      Hang in there, Anonymous. You'll find a ton of support and wisdom on this site.

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    2. She said that things were really bad between us, she felt alone. So she started looking for someone else and found one who was interested in her. I asked her if there was someone else she denied it. I asked her if she wanted to break up, she didn't. But the gut feeling I had wouldn't go away. Until we finally broke up last June 2019. We kept talking to each other though. a few months later I found out she was dating again. I was devastated. I wanted another chance. Fast forward to this year I told her I had a new girlfriend. She started talking to me more. It was like we were together again. I broke up with my gf after a month because I know that I'm still in love with the person who left me. Eventually we got involved even when she was still with him. I asked her to choose, she chose me. A few days after we got back together she finally told me the truth. I felt numb. She let me see their pictures together, the dates they had. She lied about it. Said that she only cheated for a few weeks. But I did some digging and found out it was actually over 3 months. She said she chose to come back to me because she finally realized that I'm serious about her. That I really do love her. I chose to stay but the thoughts are killing me. I can't stop imagining them being together. I don't want to give up on our plans and dreams but this is torture. She found this site for me and she said she's going to therapy. I've been reading from this site since she sent me the link. It helps me a lot. Knowing that relationships can survive infedelity.

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    3. "Torture" is a pretty good way to describe it. Yes, it's hell. I'm so sorry you're going through it.
      What I'm hearing is that she was dishonest with you, as well as the cheating. She lied to you when you asked her, specifically, whether she was seeing anyone else. And while a lot of us have reasons to feel unhappy in relationships, people who are mature and honest and have integrity, don't cheat or lie about it. She can change, of course. But does she want to? Is she willing to acknowledge just how deeply she hurt you? I'm also curious about her need for attention and her inability to talk with you about it rather than seek it elsewhere.
      I don't know how old either of you are but I am concerned about her immaturity with regards to relationships. Is she able and willing to support you in your pain? Does she recognize just how deeply painful betrayal is? If so, I hope she learns a lesson through this. As for you, yes, relationships can survive infidelity but it takes a lot of hard work and willingness on the part of the unfaithful to really reckon with the damage they've caused.
      In terms of your "mind movies" (what we call those images that we can't seem to get out of our minds), there are some behaviour modificaiton techniques that can help -- picturing a big stop sign when you start thinking about it, snapping an elastic on your wrist when you start thinking about it. A therapist might be a really good idea to help you through this pain. Hang in there, Anonymous. You are not alone. And you sound like a great guy. You absolutely do not deserve this.

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    4. When she told she, she said she'd take everything I say to her and that she'd go to therapy. Now though she said she's feeling overwhelmed with everything, said that her head is a mess. I can't even talk about it to her anymore because she might want time and space away from me. Whenever the thoughts start to flood my mind I go to this site and read. It's the only that helps.

      P.s. we're both in our early 30s and I'm definitely not a guy ��. Thank you for your very kind words.

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    5. Ugh! My hetero-normativity rears its ugly head. With a recently out daughter, I should know better.
      I'm worried that your fear is overriding your boundaries. I'm sure she is overwhelmed. But she created this situation. And if she wants to rebuild a relationship with you, then it's going to require that she make herself really uncomfortable and do some hard work. From your side, it's so hard to enforce our boundaries when we're scared. But not enforcing them is teaching our partners that we don't matter, that they can violate our boundaries and that creates an unhealthy (er) relationship. Are you in therapy yourself? If you didn't grow up with healthy boundaries, you might need help learning what they are and how to create/enforce them. I grew up in an alcoholic home where healthy boundaries just didn't exist. It is a skill I've had to learn as an adult. Here's a primer on boundaries and how to keep yourself emotionally safe: https://betrayedwivesclub.blogspot.com/2016/04/your-ultimate-guide-to-boundaries-what.html
      Hang in there, Anonymous. As the saying goes, when you're going through hell, keep going.

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    6. Thank you so much Elle. I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable. She's going to therapy soon and I might go as well. I know I need to. I can't stop the mind movies especially of them being intimate. It's so damn painful. I want to get your e-book. I know it will help a lot. Where can I get it aside from Amazon?

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  10. I need to read this all today, I am 2 months post d day. We have got back together, it's so hard, every day I find myself feeding the hurt and it annoys me that my husband appears happy. How can he be happy while im destroyed, I found something on his ipad the other day which he had written in January before I found out about the affair, saying all this stuff about wanting to marry her and go places, have pictures of themselves on fb and go public with their relationship, I keep saying to myself that it was before I knew, he was still in the honeymoon stage with her etc and I just cant understand how he can't still feel love for her, can men do that? Just fall out of love with someone. Or is he grieving for the loss or excitement of the affair still. This is so bloody hard and days like today I just want to go to bed switch off and sleep for days

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    1. Anonymous, Affairs, to those of us on the outside, seem to make little sense. It's not at all uncommon that the cheater drops their affair partner with little regret. The affair itself was the appeal, not the person. It was about escape and fantasy. Often, all the affair partner brought to the table was willingness and availability. When the price of this "escape" becomes clear, cheaters often do feel almost relieved of the pressure of having to follow through with the affair. They never really wanted to leave the marriage, they were avoiding problems they couldn't address -- loneliness, mortality, aging, addiction, etc.
      Two months in is still hell. You're likely still reeling from this. Are you able to speak with your husband about how much pain you're in? Can he recognize how much damage he has caused, even if your marriage remains intact?
      But yes...it is so bloody hard. That is the truth. And if there are days you can just go to bed, then do it. Do what you need to do to care for yourself, as if you were a wounded friend. Treat yourself gently and kindly. Nurture yourself and tend to your wound. You will get past this, I promise. But it takes a long time.

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  11. I am almost five years since it all came out. Still having bad days and what hurts as much now is on discussing it with hubby he says he doesn’t think about it . Has no reminders it is long gone. To me he caused all this pain and I am the one still suffering. But I guess what that shows is how little it all meant to him whereas my marriage meant everything to me. So now I know I have to put me first. I have stayed yes and life is good enough but life will never be what it was my marriage meant everything to me 38 years I gave my all. Now I take all I want for me

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    1. Luppylu,
      I don't think your husband's ability to not think about the cheating means that you didn't matter at all. I think so many of these guys are so grateful to move on from this, that they do, far easier than we do.
      And given that it's five years and you're still in pain, I suspect you're dealing with post-trauma, which is something a lot of us deal with. Are you in therapy? Have you been treated for post-trauma symptoms relating to the infidelity? If so, it might be time to revisit it and if not, I hope you will. You do not need to live with this pain.

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  12. This blog is currently my lifeline. Each and every post. Thank you thank you thank you.

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