It would seem from a lot of the comments on this site and the things I'm seeing in my Twitter feed that we are all due for a reminder that our husbands didn't cheat because there's something wrong with us but because there's something wrong with them.
It's what all the experts say, of course. It's even what the more insightful cheaters say. But that doesn't mean we believe it. Instead, far too many of us buy into this cultural myth that men cheat because they're getting something better than the boring old hag at home. Or because the sex is spectacular.
But there is simply too much evidence to the contrary. The stereotype, of course, is the sexy Other Woman with long legs and a come-hither voice. The reality is often an Other Woman who works at Costco and wears mom jeans. In other words, she's not that different from us except that her moral compass is broken, if she ever had one at all.
Despite the fact that the OW in my case was a bloated alcoholic with anger issues, I still spent hours trying to figure out what she had that I didn't. Was she a porn star in bed? A delightful dinner companion who laughed at all his jokes? Was she smarter than I? Funnier? More interesting? Did he prefer her long hair to my short? Did he prefer her thicker waist to mine? Just what the hell was it that she had and I didn't? Or that I had and he didn't want?
What a waste of time that was! If I'd had any sense of self-worth, I would have figured it out a whole lot sooner. But a childhood spent with addicts had essentially groomed me for this. I already held a deep secret belief that there was something wrong with me. I had grown up convinced that if people knew the truth about me, they wouldn't love me. And so, when I discovered that my husband was cheating on me, it confirmed what I already believed about myself. That I was inherently unlovable. That I was unworthy of fidelity. That I wasn't enough.
You too?
Those beliefs exist in so many of us, long before our husbands cheat. But here's the thing: Those beliefs often exist in cheaters too. Why else do they risk marriages that matter to them for women who don't? Why else do they fall for this distorted reflection of themselves in another woman's eyes -- a reflection that tells them everything they want to believe about themselves but that they secretly doubt?
Healing from betrayal, whether within your marriage or past it, is about healing those core beliefs about ourselves. It's about rediscovering the truth about our worth. That we matter. That we deserve respect and kindness and honesty. That, even if the marriage is well and truly over, we didn't deserve betrayal.
Husbands that deserve a second chance will heal themselves too. And they will support us in our healing. Those that don't will continue to blame us for their own shortcomings. They will continue to look outside themselves and their marriage for validation. They will continue to need that reflection in others' eyes because their own reveal emptiness.
One more time – and louder – for those in the back: He didn't cheat because there's something wrong with you. He cheated because there's something wrong with him.
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Thank you for this saying this, it really can’t be said enough.
ReplyDelete“Husbands that deserve a second chance will heal themselves too.”
This was the turning point for us. He finally came to terms with his flaws, brokenness, and addiction. He got help, he’s healing and so am I.
It’s probably another topic, but I haven’t come across the subject of being married to an alcoholic. If there’s a thread somewhere, I’d love to hear other wives experiences. TIA
There isn't a dedicated thread re. being married to an alcoholic but there are plenty of women here whose husbands' affairs were at least partly due to their addiction. Addiction leads to horrible choices, self-loathing, blacking out, etc.
DeleteI'm glad your husband got his own stuff in order. That's crucial.
Thanks Elle. This resonates loudly with me. I just wish I could make it "stick"!
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DeleteI hear you LOUD and CLEAR Elle : ) .. I’ve seen the ow and trust me she’s nothing to write home about, she’s broken and desperate and I’m neither. Mostly I know my worth I’m honest, caring, trustworthy and reliable my ex dips in and out of all four. He’s broken too he just won’t get to grips with his demons and most likely never will. He has his good points however like tonight I asked him to drive me to the shops as I’m not a fan of driving in the dark and on the way back we passed a broken down vehicle, he was the only one in a que of traffic that stopped to give the guy a jump start, that’s not unusual of him to do kind acts like that and I like that about him but it’s the blurred line of boundaries that worries me about him. I try not to expect too much as I’m likely to get disappointed but I have leaned on him more recently as I’ve been so stressed with my deadlines and needed help with the kids so I asked him and he helped me out, he didn’t have to but he did and I’m pretty sure I’d do the same for him if he was at breaking point as I have been of late with immense pressures from uni. But I met my deadlines and I’m now awaiting feedback , prayers would be good right now ladies : )..
ReplyDeleteElle your husband is a lucky man to have you tell him I said so... xx
Plenty of prayers coming your way. And yeah, my husband is a really kind guy too. The one who helps others that way. But...and it's a big BUT...he tends to need that sort of praise for doing the right thing. He feeds off other people's appreciation in a way that's not healthy. And it's why he has fuzzy boundaries. He's a pleaser. Kinda wonder if that's the case with your guy too.
DeleteI guess my point was I’m not looking back or forward just getting through the day asbest I can In these difficult circumstances .. xx
ReplyDeleteI agreed with you Elle that the truth where the OW is not always better than us. My H's OW is elder, she don't have sexy leg but plump and she is very pessimistic.
ReplyDeleteWe've separated for 6 months for now but unfortunately he never speak a word to me or to be honest with me about the OW. He didn't speak to me either. He just left it like that and continued to be with the OW. Anyone have this kind of experience and mind to share?
I wondered if he'd ever feel guilty to treat me so..but i guess the answer is NO.
I think i deserved a truth even though it's hurt.
Lost_AA
Lost_AA,
DeleteYes, you do deserve the truth but you'll likely never get it. I suspect you know as much as you need to know in order to realize that, as much as it hurts, you're better off without this guy. If he can move on without so much as a backward glance, then he's got a heart of stone.
The OW in my case was younger, skinnier, blonde, fair skin, sexy and attractive. She was also needy, desperate, unemployed, helpless, and dumb. The only thing that triggered my insecurities is that she is white and i am not. I never thought I was unattractive and certainly was told by many that I was beautiful (not going to be faux humble about my looks. But I don't peg who I am on it either). But growing up as a brown person in this culture, your skin color does make you feel second class and that buried insecurity certainly came up for a bit. However, even though externally she could be perceived as "better," I know deep down my own internal worth--I know I have integrity, intelligence, strength and deep compassion. And the more I let my best self come out, the more people reflect back to me who I really am. I would rather be a woman and not a child-woman like the OW. So whether you or she is a troll or a babe, get to know your own goodness. I live by a Judge Judy quote: "Beauty fades but stupid is forever."
ReplyDeleteLove this mbs, I totally get what your saying, I’m of mixed heritage and my ex is of Asian heritage the ow was the same as him which bothered me a little in the beginning because they could both speak the mother tongue language I couldn’t and both probably had similar upbringings culturally. So I totally understand what you mean. I love that quote by the way: )
Deleteyes. the OW is an immigrant from a country (that fact that is noted for its prostitutes, corruption and underhanded dealing is not lost on me) and under my H has a strong, notable heritage from. But in fact, I think my H and I have more in common in background, education, and culture.
Delete"get to know your own goodness" that's big MBS. Thank you xoxo
DeleteI love that quote too MBS. So true for my stupid ex and his stupid whores.
DeleteHugs
Gabby xo
MBS
DeleteI love how you unveiled your self. Way back when I owned my business, I worked outside most of every day and I have the skin type that tans dark... I used to joke about being bi-racial but I learned fast that even though there was historical records that I am a ‘Heinz 57’ meaning that we don’t know what we’re made from, my father had German ancestors, my mother had Cherokee Indian ancestors so we probably had others that we didn’t trace. I’m proud of you for claiming your natural beauty because as I taught all my children, we’re all just a shade of brown and God loves us all the same! I’m the proud grandma to two beautiful boys with Hispanic ancestors! Yep I love Judge Judy as well and we had a very stupid ow!
Hi MBS, funny things is my H complaint that i looks fat, ugly and old before he requested on the divorce. Looks contradict? As the OW is plump, i would not say she is ugly but she is definitely elder than me.
DeleteYou knew what, she is getting more and more chubby...I wondered if he is blind?
Lost_AA
I just want to emphasized the point I was trying to make-- that the impulse to rip apart the OW and shame her is natural and not unreasonable . But personally, I try to avoid putting weight (ha, ha, pun unintended) into how I look or how she looks. Whether she or I am fat or skinny. Or who is old. I think society makes our worth too much about those things (which we really have little control over) so I try my best to reject that whole comparison. I do recognize that there are things about her that are triggering for me and I have used it to look at my own feelings of inadequacy as well as remember the things that I value about myself. I just read a great article in Dame Magazine about middle aged women and their desirability. My favorite line: "But I desperately, feverishly want to abolish the ingrained belief that f--kability is how you earn the right to take up space."
DeleteMBS love this, can you post the link to the article? I also feel like we just became best friends. xoxo
DeleteI'll attach the article. And yes, I think MBS is right on the money in that we need to stop treating this like some sort of contest in which one woman is crowned worthy of the man and the other skulks away in shame. It feeds our cultural misconception that cheating is about trading up.
Deletehttps://www.damemagazine.com/2019/01/11/middle-aged-women-and-the-men-who-disdain-them/?fbclid=IwAR2O1FatO2TSJJ3s-qbgPTUGY31J1N8uq5rC1G5bv_BM6yqJDCgfJfQpajM
SS1 I love how we are on the same train...
DeleteYes Elle, it isn't about trading up even though in his mind he things he is going for something better. I also think that all our perceptions of what is "better" has to do with f--k-ability. And in our culture women don't get to take up space and have value if they aren't f-ckable. And the criteria for being f-ckable as a woman makes us cannabalize each other and degrade ourselves. I also realize that even though my partner values me as a mother and woman, this idea that I also have to be sexually available however and whenever he wanted (usually when he needed to feel better about himself even when I was post partum or fast asleep at 11 pm) was core to his feelings of being deprived in the relationship. He didn't like that I believed that we owed each other more than sexual attention.
Anyway, I wonder if somehow we are internalizing this idea that if he is schtupping (euphemism change) someone else, then we must not be schtupp-able (or as schtupp-able as another woman) and therefore not worth as much as we thought. This might not be applicable to everyone's situation but I notice it more and more as being at play in my life and in the culture we live in.
Looking back on my husband's betrayal, I can remember people's comments about cheating, saying how there is something wrong with US or else why did the betrayal happen. A lot of this comes from our society I believe. It is not educated in Infidelity. The real issues and the amount of hurt and pain that is caused from it. I guess fortunately I knew who the OW was and knew what type of person she was!!! I never thought there was something wrong with me.
ReplyDeleteI go on (and on and on) about our cultural misperception around infidelity. There's this notion that it's about trading up -- younger, prettier, sweeter, etc. It completely misses the reality of cheating -- that's it about broken people seeking other broken people.
DeleteNope. His cheating had nothing to do with me. All to do with him and his willing whores. And I will not take the blame - any of it. You are right Miserableinmd. Society expects there to be our fault, the wife was this or that, but that's bullshit. That's coming from the narrative of people not wanting to blame the men, the cheaters, but to use the innocent as scapegoats.
ReplyDeleteSo any wife who has been betrayed. Don't dare let anyone blame you. Ever. Sure marriages, relationships have their ups and downs, but to be betrayed is a cowards way. Tell anyone otherwise to go shove it, as I have recently done, and boy did it feel good.
Anyway. On a lighter note....
I just have to let this out
Wahhahahahaha.
The latest I find quite hilarious.
My kids are away with him and his latest whore, (who he left me and the kids for), and the kids told me last night ex and her had a fight out in public where he was on his phone and for some reason she got shitty and he had a go at her and she spent the night sulking. As one of my kids put it 'the honeymoon phase so over". I had a huge laugh thinking - this bastard hasn't changed and his high maintenance whore is feeling some pain and humiliation. Good. It wouldn't be an ounce of the pain she caused me.
Keep your chin up ladies.
You are all amazing having to deal with betrayal and the constant reminders and triggers.
Just remember. We are all in this together.
Hugs and support
Gabby xo
Gabby,
DeleteNo surprise there, huh? If he refuses to look in the mirror, nothing is going to change. But...not your circus, not your monkeys. Not anymore.
After reading the comments, I'm reminded of our first marriage therapist, the first time he cheated 10 years ago. She basically said that he cheated because we stopped communicating, that he was frustrated with work, that he didn't feel appreciated, that we 'drifted'. She did a personality test, and I could have told her that we’re two different personalities! She said at least he wasn't a "philanderer", that it was "just one woman".
ReplyDeleteI should have run, we should have run. She never addressed his childhood BS, it was really some big time stuff that any child & teenager would have a hard time with. He developed very poor coping skills. She didn’t address his drinking. Nothing. He wears his heart on his sleeve, is charming, & is sincere. He’s very likeable. His problems were not addressed at all. And he cheated again, 7 years later. He became a ridiculous drunk, endangered many people, my mental health, my kids mental health…She never addressed the trauma I experienced. We didn't know any better, I guess. I hope she’s lost her license.
I went years trying to be the best wife I could be. I was loving, flirty, attentive. I was those things before, but I was convinced that if I could be incredibly irrisistably lovable, he wouldn't cheat again and we'd have a good marriage again. It only worked for a few years. It wasn't enough, because I couldn't control his demons.
Our MT now is great & she’s told me time & time again, that it was never my fault. I could not have done anything different. She’s commended him for addressing all of his flaws. She’s validatd the trauma I’ve experienced. She’s a skilled professional and we’re grateful.
Gem,
DeleteI'm so sorry for your earlier experience. Bad therapists do a whole lot of damage. And I'm sorry that you internalized the responsibility to somehow make yourself lovable when it was NEVER your problem.
I'm glad your new MT is so much wiser.
Elle, would be nice to have a post or even a tab about crappy therapy experiences/lesson learned. I was in such a vulnerable position post d-day and our therapist was so terrible. But I needed help and didn't know which end was up. If trusted her to know what she was doing but she didn't and she too gaslighted me. It would be great to share some of this with newbies. [Btw, you shared about Robert Weiss and Prodependence a few weeks ago and I have found such great stuff on his page. He has great free resources, podcasts and even free web meetings. a real gem of resources]
DeleteI’ll never know why even in those first few seconds, minutes, weeks, months that i NEVER took the blame. Somehow i knew this was not about me. I don’t have the worlds highest self esteem either. He chose young beautiful prostitutes for the most part , although he claims that not all were either or both (there was quite the plethora of whores in his insanity). I actually had one friend tell me that i had the tendency to be bitchy sometimes- as if that’s an excuse. She beat me on the bitch scale most days and her husband didn’t cheat. Why is that? Maybe because he was the better man perhaps? And have you noticed society’s narrative that women who cheat are bitches and women who are *cheated on* “MUST” be bitches. Sometimes it feels like we take the fall and pay the price for every little thing. It’s really not our fault. If they have an issue with life at home nothing is stopping then from talking to us about anything. And communication is step one.
ReplyDeleteEvery word true. Except the part where your friend said you were a "bitch". You're not. ;)
DeleteI’ve been struggling for 2 months now, my husband has told me he wanted to work on things so we tried. One day I asked him about what he was doing at work so late and he flipped out. He told me he couldn’t go through the recovery process anymore. He has blamed me several times but other times apologizes and says he hates himself. Since telling me that I have left our home and moved in with my mum. The second day I was gone he spent the night with the OW. Her husband was out of town, I found this out via social media. I’m positive he has not told me the truth about his affair. I’m just now feeling like I need to respect myself and divorce him but a big part of me wants to fight although there’s nothing to fight for. I just know the things he is saying about our marriage are not true at all. We had a lot of fun and did enjoy each others company. He is remembering things negatively and I’m just so sad that that’s how we will end. I have a hard time thinking I deserve better when what I knew is all erased. I am looking for support from people who are having to go at this alone like me. Anyone out there?
ReplyDeleteUnkown, I could have written your post almost verbatim post my d day three years ago. My ex also rewrote our history, lied ot me about his affair, went to marriage counseling with me then traveled out of state to see the OW for her birthday because "he still cared." And I stayed and fought for nine excruciating months. Went on a family vacation where we had to "fake it" for the kids even though we had agreed we were going to separate and he was to move out a month later. Looking back, it was one of a series of many things where I was asked to enable his bullshit.
DeleteMy ex dredged up old stuff, rewrote history, blamed me, all the tricks right out of the cheaters' handbook. They do it to justify their actions.
Its been so hard to be done with this man, even though I'm divorced more than a year now, I've made a great new life for myself, when I am feeling sad or like a failure, I remind myself what a relief those first few months were after he moved out. I was sad, often had anxiety attacks, but I also didn't have his dramatic nonsense in my face any more.
And here's something interesting: as time has gone by and I am out of the relationship, I have been able to observe him from the outside. He's a giant fake. He needs approval from everyone around him, especially the women in his life, especially his daughter (grrr) and even still from me (he often seeks validation from me for how great we are coparenting -and I'm like, "what do you want for "sacrificing" your Friday evenings to spend them with your son, a cookie? ?) He puts on a god show of having feelings and being deep but really he's a series of empty masks. He's the shallowest deep person I know. He only does kind things to create a persona. He's always on the brink of financial disaster, according to him. He is the biggest source of drama and unrest in my and my kids life. He is singularly unable to think through how his actions might affect others. He just assumes everyone will be on board and applaud. And now that he's out of the picture, I've had family and friends tell me "thank God, he treated you like dirt." my own sister told me she always though he was very selfish and cited several examples form years past. And now I can see it too. He never valued me as he ought to even when he was trying to be a god husband or person. Everything was about what I wasn't doing right, and god forbid I say no to sex. Even thought we had some great times, traveled well together, had some adventures and good things, he failed to see my worth all along I think.
All that rant is to say this: I know you are hurting. I know it is heartbreaking to hear someone you care about and shared a life with, retell your story, erase your past to justify their bullshit. I still struggle when dealing with family memories, my childrens' life events, vacation photos. I feel like he's stolen that from me. But. I am slowly coming to realize that even though he sucked and didn't participate in party planning for the kids bdays, or our big kids day out on vacations or any of the Christmas traditions, I did. I was there, I showed up for my kids and other family members and I did my best. Looking back a lot of my memories are just me and the kids anyway, because he was "too stressed" from work or wanted to hang with the guys etc.
Unkown, I am sorry for the pain you are in. I feel you. I'm sorry your h is an idiot and is wrapped up in the bullshit story he is telling himself. Focus on you, what you need to be safe. I'm glad you've gotten yourself out of that toxic environment. Take your time to think and breath and don't worry about next steps just yet. You'll get there. Try to find a therapist, if you don't already see one. The help of a good one is essential through this. And come back here often for support and commiseration.
Unknown,
DeleteI'm so sorry for the pain you're going through. As SS1 wrote above, what your husband is doing is ridiculously common though that doesn't make it any less painful to live through.
I would urge you to create some really strong boundaries while you figure out whether or not your marriage is worth fighting for. At this point, you'd be the only doing the fighting and that won't work. So...boundaries. You decide what the conditions are. IF he wants you to even consider staying married to him, I would insist on NO CONTACT with the OW, access to any and all phones/computers/e-mails, etc. I would stay at your mum's and have only as much contact as you can manage and I would insist on counselling. That's me, though. You get to decide what you need. But that's what this comes down to, Unknown. YOU respecting you. YOU taking care of you.
It will be really hard, I know. But this site is filled with women who did the hard stuff and came out the other side. You will too.
Unknown, So sorry for everything. It is so hard. One thing I would like to offer is something my husband told me when I guess you would say he was on the other side of all of this. It was probably two years after dday at least. We were talking about everything and how it could still be hard for me to understand. He then told me it is hard for him to understand. And he basically said he told himself whatever he had to in order to justify his actions. He said there was no other way to get through each day hating himself and the person he still loved the most. And on top of it as he said there was really no real reason to do it. Things were pretty good between us. It is all so common. It is different for all of us but it can take a while to move through this. And we both did at different speeds. My husband had two ten year affairs. However he broke both off 15 months before dday. So he was at a different point. But after I got past year one and started feeling better it hit him.
DeleteThe thing I have found is that they betray themselves first before us. I think that is why it is so hard for them to face what they have done. And they can only do the work to fix themselves. My husband sat there on dday and said he did not know what he wanted. Now almost four years later things are so much better and he has transformed. Lots of highs and lows in there and still at times. Listen to Elle she is so great and giving the right advice at the right time. And all the other women here. Get help, get the support you need. One last thing is once I focused on me only was when my husband was so drawn in and impressed by me. He still thanks me. But of course you need no contact with the OW to be mandatory to even consider moving forward.
Hi Unknown, I really feel for your situation as my husband revealed his emotional affair five years ago and eventually realised he wanted me and the family but did not address his longterm self-hatred and addictive nature and poor mechanisms for feeling better so he went back communicating with the OW, had other flirtations and went back to his long term problem with porn. He "really cared and was sorry" but he was also extremely defensive and cruel about my triggers and could not or would not face into the work he had to do to repair. After I discovered another dalliance last year I made him sleep on the couch while we went to counselling. The MC turned out to not have a clue about dealing with infidelity but my husband has gone to a counsellor for the last year to deal with his poor mechanisms/addictive nature in dealing with low feelings. It has not been a quick process and I have still been let down along the way - some of these issues are so deepseated and I have my own hurt and triggers to deal with. You are right to feel you need to now take a stand for yourself, you can express to him that you'd rather stay with him and repair but can't unless he gets help in dealing with what's making him hate himself and make these terrible choices. It comes down to whether he's willing to do the necessary work. He may love you deep down but it won't work unless he sorts out these tendencies. I know how alone you feel as I told some people about the first deception but I couldn't tell family that I was trying to stay with a man who'd done more stuff after that so no-one knew what I was going through. Your husband will continue to rewrite the story of your marriage to make himself feel better until he works on his problems. Check out Steven Stosny's compassion power website for some insight on this and also really look at minding yourself and what you need to feel strong and worthy of care. You can tell him that you'd love to be in a healthy relationship with him one day but that you need to protect yourself just now. Sending good wishes to you.
ReplyDeleteUnknown, Jan 11th. YOU ARE NOT ALONE, STAY ON THIS SITE FOR HELP GETTING THROUGH THIS. ALL OF US IN WAY OR ANOTHER HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU ARE AND KNOWS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.
ReplyDeleteOne day I asked him about what he was doing at work so late and he flipped out. UNKN - He flipped out because he is still having sex and a relationship with the OW. In order for your marriage to have a chance he has to agree to no contact. You need all his passwords and total transparency. You need confirmation from him that he told the OW it is over. If he won't do this, he is still lying to you.
He told me he couldn’t go through the recovery process anymore. He has blamed me several times but other times apologizes and says he hates himself. UNKN - He blames you because he is trying to justify his lies and affair. He has to blame you because he doesn't want to admit it is all his fault. He is not taking ownership of his brokenness and how he screwed up.
Cheaters lie, lie and lie. Even when he says he is not lying, don't believe him. He is lying to protect himself. If he wants recover he has to stop. Read about the 180 and start the 180 on him. They always affair down. She is not smarter, prettier, she is just available.
Go see a lawyer and start the divorce process, you don't have to go through with it but serve him with papers to wake him up. Get a financial plan B. Cancel any joint credit cards. Cancel anything that you paying for him. Take money out of the checking or savings for yourself, you may need it. Don't make any decisions right now that are permanent. It is not good to make decisions when you emotionally or mentally can't make a decision. Just wait and take care of yourself. Decide if he is worth fighting for, does he deserve a second chance? This is not your fault, you did not cheat. He had several ways to tell you he was not happy and didn't. His choice to cheat. He has no excuses. Take care of yourself and only yourself. You can't help him, he has to help himself.
Get into therapy today. Most of all he has to show true remorse and do anything he can to win you back. I hurt with you and for you. Be strong, you are worth it.
LLP, Such good advice and points. One thing about the lying is at least for my husband this had become his way of life. Not always big lies but let's say he pushed the boundaries on everything. This becomes habit and who they are. I agree no contact, set boundaries, get help for you.
DeleteI remember Elle telling me to watch and see if his actions match his words. I sat back and watched and there was not looking the other way on anything. My therapist helped me feel supported with boundaries. I felt crazy since the list was long and it was call me on the way to work, call me on the way home. I had to be called if any plans change not texted. I could go on.
And meeting with a lawyer, therapist for yourself all of those things help you get support and have a plan. For me I always feel better with a plan!
I’m wondering how do I do the 180 and set boundaries?
DeleteThere's a whole lot of info on boundaries on this site but they basically amount to this: Boundaries are what we set to keep ourselves emotionally and physically safe. Ask yourself, what do I need to feel emotionally and physically safe and then put that in place. You can read more here: https://betrayedwivesclub.blogspot.com/2016/04/your-ultimate-guide-to-boundaries-what.html
DeleteHere's the best description of the 180 here, which is, in large part, about setting boundaries though there are pieces of it that strike me as manipulative and wrong. However...we each get to do what works.
https://beingabeautifulmess.wordpress.com/the-180/
I guess I’m pretty needy right now since I’ve posted so many times. I have another question though. What do I do if I’ve already done all the things it’s says not to do on the 180 list? I can and want to do these things for myself but I still want to know if there’s any hope?
DeletePlease don't worry about being "needy". We all come here needing a whole lot of support and, with time and healing, we begin to give it to others. For now...take what you need.
DeleteToday is a new day. And then tomorrow, again, is a chance to start fresh. There's always hope for you to change how to approach everybody in your life. You can never control others. But you can always control yourself. That was true before and it's true now. And it will be true tomorrow and all the tomorrows after that.
So....start now by focusing on you. What you need to heal. What boundaries you need to feel safe.
Thank you all so much for your replies.
ReplyDeleteI feel I have approached this from every possible angle. He doesn’t even flinch. He has abandoned me but then contacts me when he wants. We met with a mediator for our divorce and we were civil. He has told me he would go to an affair recovery retreat. I feel it will be a waste of money since he goes to counselling and doesn’t talk about anything. I’m really trying to just do my own thing but I’m just so sad and can’t believe this has happened. I want someone to talk to usually that would be him but now I can’t have that. So sad....
HM,
DeleteYes, it's sad when someone is more willing to throw away a relationship than deeply examine themselves. Must be some scary shit he's avoiding.
However, your role is to focus on you, to work through the sadness and grief and to trust that you will emerge from this.
I am 3 and a half months into this. Just two days ago, I acknowledged this truth. I felt it strongly for a day and felt good for the first time since finding out. The inner critic showed up the next day and by the end of that day, I was sure I was wrong. Today, day three of considering that he is the broken one and I did not deserve this, I want to fight that inner critic and believe it. Unfortunately the OW in my case is 20 years younger, beautiful, speaks three languages and as my husband put it "the funniest person in the room that everyone gravitated to". Yet I believe someday I will be able to believe she is not better than me (not sure how yet). Holding out hope for valuing myself someday feels undeniably necessary, so I hold on to it like a lifeline.
ReplyDeleteI'm about 2.5 months out. I am still being blamed and our whole marriage has been re-written for him to justify his behaviour. Im my case the OW is much thinner than I am and also has blond hair. My husband told me he has had a crush on her for 5 years and acted on it after his friend and cousin passed away. The one thing I have up on her is that I have a much nicer smile, her teeth are a mess, I know its not right to say these horrible things about the OW but I am of course jealous of her. I'm not sure what I can say to make you feel better, I'm sure that there is nothing she is offering that you can not offer. He is in the wrong and you are right he is the broken one. In my opinion anyone that messes with another persons marriage has issues of their own, so value that, value that you were faithful and that you matter! I read a lot of things online. Are you and your husband working on things or are you on your own?
DeleteThank you, and yes, I am focusing on the fact that I am a better person than her on the inside. I'm so sorry about where you are at.
DeleteWe are working on things. My husband is transforming before my eyes. He refers to his old self as the "asshole" and is trying to learn how to be aware of and process his emotions. Even with all the positive work happening, it is overwhelmingly tempting to lie down in the pain and sleep forever covered in it. I am so happy to have found this blog where there are positive posts on healing because I know my future happiness depends on getting out of that place of wallowing in all the hurt.
Not all that glitters is gold, as the adage goes. You both have something that neither of these OW have and that is integrity. In a culture that worships youth and beauty, I know that might not seem like much. But to be able to truly look yourself in the eye is something we don't value until we no longer have it.
DeleteAnd yes, it's important to not stay in the pain but that's easier said than done. Some days, you just need to be gentle with yourself. Trust yourself to sit in the pain, knowing that you won't stay there. But the only way out of this is through. So let yourself rest but then, when you're ready, take another step.
The day will come when these women will look to you like they look to the rest of us – a glittery object that distracts but doesn't hold much value.
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ReplyDeleteI’m just wondering what exactly I should do in regards to my separation. I’m currently trying No Contact and the 180. Ideally to get my H back but also because I’m in so much pain that I don’t think I can talk to him at the moment. We need to sell our house and get on with things in terms of separation. We currently have very little money but share the bank account. We need to put our house up for sale as well. How should I proceed with all this. Should I just put it on hold for a month or so? Or should I get the process started? Need advice please and thank you.
HM response part 1
DeleteHM, where you are is so hard. I remember being terrified and feeling such immense relief when I did not have to wake up to him and his lies and waffling anymore. I felt like I could breathe again.
So first, I want to recommend you do some radical acceptance around the 180 and getting your H to "come home." Just like you were not the cause or in any way responsible for his cheating, you are not going to be able to control whether or not he wakes up and decides to work things out. The 180 is for you. for your safety and protection. So radical acceptance goes like this: you verbalize to yourself the two conflicting thoughts or states and accept them BOTH. It helps quiet the war in your own mind and gives you a little peace. You could try saying "I accept that I want the 180 to wake my husband up to what he is losing AND I accept that nothing I say or do can control another person, including my husband." And you keep saying those thoughts as they come up until you've kind of worked through them all.
Next, if you haven't already, please go consult with a lawyer to understand your rights. Scary, but you are not proceeding with divorce, you are just getting a clear picture of what your rights and the financial picture will be for your state. Laws around separation vary by state (if you are in the US). a lawyer will be able to help with that. Most will give a free initial consult. There are also organizations that will give women in your shoes legal advice for free or on a sliding scale, if need be.
Is he moved out? DO you have kids? Do you have a plan for how you will communicate? Visitation? Support money? You have a right to support from him while separated. I urge you to visit with a lawyer to get this nailed down asap.
I highly recommend you open your own bank account. Again, the lawyer can advise but you need to have a place for your money that your h can't access. They often do crazy things with money when in the affair fog.
The lawyer will help you negotiate for how much of the money of the sale of the house you get. if you are the dependent spouse (i.e. earn less etc.) you may be entitled to more. For example, I got 60% of our retirement assets because I have less earning capacity than him and less ability to make it up in the years ahead. Retirement stuff, even pensions or stuff that is currently in his name only are considered joint marital assets, unless you had a prenup that said otherwise, and you are entitled to a fair share of that stuff. On the flip side, if there is credit card or other debt, you will both be jointly accountable for that. I'd get a cc in your name only (don't us it for now) but have it just in case.
HM response part 2
DeleteNext, get a therapist who has experience with family, couples and divorce. Mine has been a godsend and has often had great advice for me while navigating divorce. You need someone in your corner.
Also, come over to the separating and divorcing page here in this site for help and support. A lot of us have been through it or are going through it and we'll be able to tell you you're not crazy and other things from our experience, and just commiserate.
The other things? I know it is hard and scary but start building a life for yourself that you want. This will pay off whether you end up together or not. reach out to friends and go to lunch, please do not isolate yourself. Do things you've been putting off. I started piano lessons and art classes. (I still do the art 3 years later, piano got too expensive, but I do practice sometimes). Get out an exercise, with people if you can. There are all kinds of social clubs and groups out there. You can find them through church if that's your thing or the MeetUp app. Go take a night class. Yoga. Whatever it is but start investing in yourself. I started volunteering with veterans and it has become a focal point of my new life. So enriching and I have a fistful of really amazing new friends that I've met in the last three years. This is the shit that will really pay off in the long run. Invest in you. You may find that you've been neglecting yourself. This is part of what the 180 is about too.
Hang in there, HM.
Thank you for these messages. I have been trying to do those things, some days I don’t want to even get out of bed. I went out, like out out for the first time last night. It felt pretty good but I burst into tears as soon as I got into my car alone. I clearly need to work on me since I am not valuing myself, every one on here seems like they either have a husband that came back and worked on things or they themselves don’t want anything to do with their cheating husband. I have neither, I am giving too much credit to the pain and suffering my husband has had in his life before all this. Like almost giving him an excuse and totally believing things may be my fault. It’s like all of this has confirmed for me what I’ve believed about myself my whole life, that I’m not worthy of a successful and happy life. I’m really not sure where this came from. I need to work on that for sure as my #1 priority just don’t know how to force myself to do it.
DeleteCan someone please send me a link for page 1 of divorce/separation?
ReplyDeleteHM links to pages 1-8. (9 and the current one are still available up top) It's a lot, emotionally, so do pace yourself, but I remember during early separation days, being desperate to read stuff from other people who could relate or where I could see myself in their story. I think you'll see over time, we all get through it. We all come out into the sunshine again, and you will too. Come and ask us questions on the current page, or vent or rant or whatever you need.
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