Wednesday, September 23, 2020

"A Type of Woman": Is the Other Woman Ever Worth Our Time?

What you are, Vivian, is a type of person. To be more specific, you are a type of woman. A tediously common type of a woman. Do you think I've not encountered your type before? Your sort will always be slinking around, playing your boring and vulgar little games, causing your boring and vulgar little problems. You are the type of woman who cannot be a friend to another woman, Vivian, because you will always be playing with toys that are not your own. A woman of your type often believes she is a person of significance because she can make trouble and spoil things for others. But she is neither important nor interesting.

~Elizabeth Gilbert, City of Girls


A whole lot of us ache for an interaction like the one above, in which we eviscerate the Other Woman, who is rendered speechless and humiliated. While I've heard of the occasional metaphorical murder, for the most part, few of us have either the opportunity or the verbal swordplay to dispense so beautifully with our sworn enemy. If any such evisceration occurs by us it is usually in the shower, when we're alone and entirely in our imagination.

 But maybe that's not such a bad thing. As satisfying as the above exchange seems, what would it have accomplished? To make clear that the Other Woman is of little consequence? I suspect many of them know that, on some level. To triumph over them? To demonstrate our moral superiority? Again, anyone with an iota of integrity already knows that they compromised theirs and the rest are devoid of a conscience. It won't matter a whit to them what we say. What it will do is put us in proximity to someone who has zero compunction about participating in our deception and our hurt. And the smartest thing we can do is keep those who want to actively harm us far from us and our family. 

It's tempting, I know. We think they'll have the answers we lack. We wonder if they'll apologize and, if so, if that will ease the ache in our hearts, even slightly. 

But I think it's a mistake. Not always but 97% of the time. Maybe 99%.

Cause let's look at what we know: This person knew we existed and chose to ignore that reality because it got in the way of what they wanted. This person knew we existed and couldn't empathize with the pain of being cheated on. This person knew we existed and said, simply, I don't care. (I make exception for those unwitting Other Women who genuinely didn't know we existed and if/when she found out, she broke it immediately.) 

Here's what else we know: This person is capable of delusion. Affairs are about fantasy. They are about believing that this person, who is already cheating on someone they promised not to cheat on, is honest and reliable. That the only thing standing in the way of happiness and lifelong commitment is this inconvenient wife who just won't get out of the way of true love. That this "good guy" just doesn't want to hurt his children. Just wants to wait until things settle down, until the kids are a bit older, until the wife's cancer treatments are over, until...until...until... I can almost feel sorry for them until I remember that they deserve scorn more than pity. 

And we know that, statistically, relationships that are started via infidelity have a sky-high 95% failure rate. Shocking, I know. [Insert eye-roll here.]

Of course, all this talk of the moral failings of Other Women remind us that these affairs had two people in them, and one of those people is our spouse. What of him?

Well, it underscores the need to demand total accountability, a true reckoning. It's not enough to mutter and "I'm sorry" then move on. There must be a deep excavation of how the affair happened, why it happened and how an unfaithful spouse can ensure he doesn't repeat the mistake. 

As for the Other Woman, that "type of woman"? Best to forget about her. "She is neither important nor interesting."


37 comments:

  1. She may have known I existed. But he came home to me after doing all the things he did with her. I pity her she knew she was sleeping with a cheat and a liar at the time. Who wants that type of man?

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  2. She was never my main interest
    She owes me nothing
    He owed my everything

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  3. The OW was a "friend" and the affair lasted 4 years. I ran into her unexpectedly for the first time about 6 months after D-day. Despite the things I'd envisioned saying and doing to her, I was pleasantly surprised at how calm I remained. I simply looked her straight in the eye and said "I can't even imagine what it's like being you. You are a horrible person and I sincerely hope you are getting the help that you so obviously need." Mic drop.
    While my tone definitely was coated with a tinge of venom, I've chalked that up as one of my wins during all of this. My true character shone through as I took the high road.

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    1. Oh I fantasise about a rogue tree branch falling on her, even my psychologist said her great aunt would say, you can always pray for a bolt of lightening to hit her. Not the post mature and evolved progress in my self work I know.

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    2. Calluna. Impressive! Maybe one day I'll say something similar to my "friend" who had an almost two-year affair with my husband. I'm so sorry. Being betrayed by TWO people you trusted sucks rotten eggs.

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    3. It really does suck, Jana. I'm so sorry you've experienced the same double betrayal.

      An interesting thing happened though, after finding out months after D-day 1 about his multiple other betrayals spanning our whole relationship. I didn't KNOW any of the other women personally and found myself not feeling any anger towards them. Finding out about the others was such a weird kind of gift. That was when my focus shifted from blaming myself (for being stupid, naive, too trusting, etc...) and comparing myself to the OW who I knew, to realizing that it was ALL about HIM. It really didn't matter who the OW was, she was so irrelevant. HE was the cause of all this, the one to blame, not me. An awful way to get there, but it was the one dramatic shift in my perspective and healing that happened quickly, compared to all the other slow healing and processing that only time can help bring.
      The universe has a strange way of offering up gifts sometimes, but finding gratitude for what we learn from all this awfulness has helped me. Not always easy and not always feeling it, but I keep looking for it.

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    5. I keep looking for it too. I'm glad for your "weird gift" - and that it brought you healing revelation.

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  4. I commented on another post of something I was struggling with (forgiving myself) but the other woman is another part that I feel is weighing me down. I can be a calm and passive person until I am crossed, I guess. I feel such a hatred for her I have never felt for anyone in my life. Trying to work past the hate towards empathy because I know, especially right now, I have no forgiveness for her. Not only did she know about me but she had joy in doing this to me. She mocked me and our issues in our relationship (that I was unaware of) to continue trying to break up our 21-year marriage. Our family. He told me more than once he had ended it but they had continued so she knew. She knew I knew about her and continued anyway. For me, I did not take joy in telling her husband of 20+ years that she was cheating on him and had gotten an apartment. I am assuming for the two of them to continue to see each other on the side and fantasy about a possible future. She has asked her husband if she could come back home and not only did he tell her no, but her son was not ready as well. I don't take joy in this but I do want her to suffer. I want her to be punished for what she did. Tips on how to get the intrusive thoughts of her out of my head are greatly appreciated.
    If I haven't already said this, I so wish I had found this site over a year ago. (side note after 3 days of reading my mood has lifted significantly!! Thank you ladies. Since his affair ended in December I was on and off emotionally. First few months were bliss. You could see the relief in him that it was over and he had his family. He’s happy. I was happy. But now I feel as if I am going backwards. Probably because I am falling back into the role of putting everyone before me. Stopped the self care. So I am reliving, dwelling, and in pain all over again. Why do we torture ourselves?

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    1. Your story kind of sounds like mine. You will go through 1 step forward and 3 steps backwards for quiet awhile. It's extremely hard to deal with at times. In time it will get better. Don't rush it. Working on ourselves is key throughout journey. I found walking helped. I walked everyday, sometimes twice a day. I would put my earphones in, grab the dog and just walk. I listened to self help books I found on Youtube, I'm far from religious but I found Joel Osteen comforting at that time. I guess it was something I needed. Anyways don't slack on your self care. It's key to healing.
      I wish you all the best.
      Cathy

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    2. Dear Unknown,
      The greatest reason for informing her H was for health reasons. When anyone has multiple sex partners the chances of transmitting a STI or STD is sky high. It's one of the most humiliating things to have a Dr. tell you you have one when you know you haven't had sex with anyone else ever. If the OW or you H gets upset over that, too bad. You're not the one who cheated.
      Stay strong,
      Carol the First

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  5. She is not worth my time or head space. How can I get her to stop jogging through my neighborhood?

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    1. Spray her with your water hose or get a dog that loves to chase people put signs up around the neighborhood warning other wives about her and that she has been seen jogging in the area so watch out for her

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  6. What would you suggest when the other woman won’t stop sending you messages, one year post D-Day? Varying from letters sent to my home to messages from made up social media accounts to a public comment on an item I was selling in a Facebook group. 9 instances of her reaching out in the past 11 months — detailing the affair (things I don’t want to know), and telling me what a horrible person my husband is (you know, because she wasn’t accountable for her own actions for 2 years - insert eye roll). I responded only to one of her initial messages - “I wish you no ill will. Please leave me alone”.

    My husband and I have been trying to make things work - he’s owned up to everything, committed himself, and has been trying to repent, but moving on is almost impossible with her reminding me of things at any given moment. I live life anxious for what’s going to come next.

    After the last message, I reached out to our local police department, and if I want to file a report, an officer will call her and tell her to stop, after which they can file harassment charges against her if she does it again. A harassment charge is basically like a traffic citation though, and seeing as it’s pretty clear that she’s insane, I worry that will only anger the beast. She hates my husband, and wants to make him suffer, and I’m her punching bag. Any advice on how to handle? I’d like to continue to ignore, but it isn’t doing anything for my healing process. Beat down from all of this, and not sure how much I’ll have to continue to take.

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  7. What would you suggest when the other woman won’t stop sending you messages, one year post D-Day? Varying from letters sent to my home to messages from made up social media accounts to a public comment on an item I was selling in a Facebook group. 9 instances of her reaching out in the past 11 months — detailing the affair (things I don’t want to know), and telling me what a horrible person my husband is (you know, because she wasn’t accountable for her own actions for 2 years - insert eye roll). I responded only to one of her initial messages - “I wish you no ill will. Please leave me alone”.

    My husband and I have been trying to make things work - he’s owned up to everything, committed himself, and has been trying to repent, but moving on is almost impossible with her reminding me of things at any given moment. I live life anxious for what’s going to come next.

    After the last message, I reached out to our local police department, and if I want to file a report, an officer will call her and tell her to stop, after which they can file harassment charges against her if she does it again. A harassment charge is basically like a traffic citation though, and seeing as it’s pretty clear that she’s insane, I worry that will only anger the beast. She hates my husband, and wants to make him suffer, and I’m her punching bag. Any advice on how to handle? I’d like to continue to ignore, but it isn’t doing anything for my healing process. Beat down from all of this, and not sure how much I’ll have to continue to take.

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  8. Unknown, I feel your pain I too atm feel as though i am going backwards and is it worth staying with him. I’m so upset today I just can’t forgive him, I’ve tried to get my head around it and I am just so hurt by what he did this was also back in January that I found out about the affair. I feel as though I’m at a loss now, I got rid of my old car we got a new car it’s in his name and now that thought of me having nothing is dwelling on me. Sometimes we are fine and get along awesome other times I find myself drifting to that negative head space.

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    1. I completely understand what you mean by "negative head space". I find myself here almost every day. I try to shake it off but I think I am finally feeling what depression is. Sometimes getting out of bed seems monumental.

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  9. This article feels unfinished. My ex had sex with 20+ women during our 9 years together. The only one who hurts me is the one he saw for 18months secretly and who he is engaged to now. I take pleasure knowing he is and has been cheating on her. She knew about me and I had no idea of her. I am still working through the realization that there are women that do this stuff to other women and don't have the basic human decency we assume we all possess. My ex is a confirmed narcissistic sex addict, and she is really unhealthy and dysfunctional to form a connection with him at his new worst. Totally sick. She does not have my understanding- she knows what she did and is in, so when it's her turn for an STD or finding some other woman's things in their bed she has it coming. I just wish i could save our pets from that dysfunctional household. My ex withholds them from me, and unjustly so. I miss my gray shadow.
    -Kat

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  10. Speaking of the OW...I crossed paths with mine for the first time today since everything blew up 20 months ago. On the chip aisle of the grocery store. I involuntarily said "hi"?!? I think it was reflex. Or shock? Ugh. She looked away and kept walking. Wish I'd had some clever retort but of course...nothing.

    In idiot husband news...would anyone be willing to speak to your husband's emotional entanglement with the OW? Is it actually possible for a man who had an almost two-year affair with someone he considered a friend - in other words, it wasn't just physical - to disentangle from his relationship with her? Is that actually possible? And how long might it take? I'm willing to give him some time to sort his shit out...but only so much time...

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    1. ANON, My story is similar to that of Calluna. I do think that "the affair fog" is real. My husband has nothing but disdain for himself and her now. I will admit initially after I found out I found work emails that were too friendly. I was furious. He saw how this crushed me and the kids and you still have winky faces in emails? Total asshole. The boundaries I set were clear: YOU ARE NOT FRIENDS. He sent her an email and told her no more smiley faces and anything that could be taken as innuendos (they worked together. He quit his job and found another otherwise I was walking). The best part was that he cc'd me on the email. She must have loved that.
      It does get better and I agree with everyone here about taking care of yourself first. At the same time I harbor a ton of hate but perhaps you will heal better than me :) I am sure you were in shock when you saw her. It is a trauma. I am guessing seeing you traumatized her just a little bit. She was probably scared to death. You were the bigger person. You should feel good about that!

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    2. Thanks Anon. I hope she pooped her pants. I wonder how long this "affair fog" might last. What the hell have we been doing for the last 20 months??? Even after all the recovery groups and therapy, he still feels attached to her? Maybe we need more professional, more precise assistance...

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    3. I hope she pooped AND peed her pants! Fingers crossed :)

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  11. Despite the advice to not interact with the OW, I wrote scathing, scalding emails to each of the three women my husband cheated with (one was an emotional affair "penpal"). And I have to say, I felt a lot better afterward. I did not get any response and I guess I didn't expect one. But I like to assume that they at least read the messages, and I get satisfaction from being heard.

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    1. Elisa-
      I had to reply to you. I too wrote a letter to the OW, our dear family friend. Before I sent it I showed my husband and told him I was sending it. I am all for 100% complete honesty. The letter was scathing and perfectly written. When she got it she went into his office and said something like " She sent me this letter" and showed it to him. He said to her " I know, I've seen it already." The shock in her face would have been worth the price of a ticket to see. The fact that he knew I sent it must have burned her. The fact that she went to him and never responded to me shows her character.
      I look for the day, and it will eventually come, when I see her in a store and can loudly announce that "HERE IS THE WOMAN WHO CHEATED WITH MY HUSBAND." Is this immature? Unhealthy? Maybe, but I am still madder than hell.

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    2. @ Anonymous I have run into the OW a few times but one of the first encounters was in a restaurant lounge she walked in with her then BF and I was actually getting ready to leave so I walked right by them and said oh I didn't realize they let trash in here and have you told your bf that your a whore that sleeps with married men?
      There also were very large colorful posters made with her name a pic and the address to a website with her text messages begging my husband to come over that she was alone and had free time she actually messaged him 8x in one day to come over and when I confronted her she always attacks me and has 20 stories

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  12. Anonymous, my H had an affair with a "friend" with whom our lives were very entangled. We hung out fairly regularly with her and her (now ex) H, our kids played together and my H collaborated on a few creative projects with her (that they initiated and I lovingly supported! ugh). All this to mean they were close friends "with benefits" for over 4 years. He really thought he loved her. My H says that the minute everything was revealed and he saw the utter devastation that their deceptive selfishness caused their spouses and children (and even the other couples in our social circle), his feelings turned cold immediately. He knew deep down the whole time that she was obviously as messed up as he was, but was addicted to how she made him feel. The addiction piece is real and I think that it takes longer to disentangle for some.
    I made it abundantly clear that she had to be cut out completely from our lives (and her entire family...2 years from d-day and my kids still sometimes ask why we don't see her kids anymore and it makes my blood boil!) and he had to commit to regular therapy. There was zero contact. Nothing (that I'm aware of) but he says he thought of her a bit over the first few months after d-day. Therapy really has helped him sort out what he was missing in his life that kept him searching outside our marriage (there were several other relationships over the years that I found out about later).
    I know I've read lots on the Affair Recovery site about the addiction part, so maybe some of their videos might help you and your H? I hope you can find some helpful info, it's awful dealing with all of this. xo

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  13. Calluna. I need to be friends with you!!! Like, IRL. Your story sounds so similar to mine. I've met lots of people (sad) who have experienced infidelity, but very few who've experienced a double betrayal. Twenty months out from d-day I can still hardly believe it. H shared with me a few weeks ago - after calling the AP and not telling me for about five days - that he'd thought about her "every day for the past 20 months". It's clear he still has some sort of feelings for her. REALLY? Still??? Even after all the destruction and heartbreak you've both caused? Even after your children have forgiven you and your wife (that's me!) has let you stay and trudged through all the shit to try and keep our family intact? STILL???

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    1. Oh anonymous, I hear you. Infidelity is so isolating. Even though I have shared my story with close friends and family, I know that no one really understands the complexities of how this type of betrayal can traumatize you right down to a cellular level.
      I am so sorry for the pain you must be experiencing seeing him in this continual fog. Has he gone for IC? I think it is an absolute must for him to figure his sh$t out.
      You are obviously a woman who is as strong as hell and one who will not settle for anything less than the respect and committment that you deserve. Don't let up, you are worth ever last drop.

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  14. Hi Ladies -
    I cannot pretend to begin to understand the actions and the mindset of cheaters. I think if my husband said "he thought of her everyday for the last 20 months" I would have a sarcastic remark like " no shit asshole so have I." I am sorry that he said this to you and I suppose Elle would say to make and keep your boundaries - every time.
    I can say my life got better when I set boundaries and did not waiver. In my case like I said earlier he worked with her ( so cliche) and she was a family friend ( a double whammy). And she was 17 years younger than him ( yes, you see my point here I am sure). Anyways, every time he would leave for work it was torture for me. I mean really??? So I set a date - have a new job by this date or we were over. It was the best thing I did. I was empowered and it gave me direction. Now are things perfect with us now - no. I still deal with anger and resentment ( you can probably tell which posts are mine) but I am better than I was. I know I don't need him in my life I choose to have him there and I imagine that may scare him just a little bit.I live a much more authentic and honest life and it feels pretty good.
    I am sorry you are going through all of this. Calluna is right this experience is isolating and so much more shitty stuff.

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  15. My husband cheated on me with a woman that was a friend of a mutual friend. She had met me/talked to me several times and they still felt it was ok to meet at MY house while I was at work to hook up with my husband. .. when I found out and my husband told her I knew, she responded with, "well your house is no longer useful for us and we need to find some where else. I would like to keep meeting up with you, it won't matter anyway the damage has already been done" how can someone sleep at night knowing they are such a piece of scum? She is also 10 years older than my husband. I told our mutual friend and they haven't talked to her since, and they have been friends for over 20 years. Before I found out, my husband had the nerve to take me to a tailgate that she was at and text her prior to us going and asked her if it was ok with her that he was coming with me... WTF? it has been a year and we are still together but some days are still really hard. I have seen a change in him for the better and he is remorseful, and is taking the necessary steps to try to earn my trust back. I look at him sometimes and can't understand how he did what he did to me... I have been so supportive of him. I have talked to the OW since and she seriously is the most selfish person I have ever met.. I would love to run into her just to see the look on her face. I would most definitely say something to her! I still struggle with thinking about it almost daily. I just can't wrap my head around why he did this... I have to try to come to the fact that I probably will never know but that is a hard reality for me to face for some reason.

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    1. Anonymous,
      So many of us struggle with making sense of the selfish behaviour of an affair. It took me more than four decades to realize that not everyone thinks like I do. That there are loads of people who justify their behaviour they feel entitled to what they want. And, of course, we know that hurt people hurt people. People either transform pain or they transmit it, which is why having a parent who cheated on the other parent makes it MORE likely you'll cheat yourself.
      Does your husband yet understand why he cheated on you? Is he able to explain to you what stories he was telling himself that made it okay? How he allowed himself to cross lines that he, likely, thought he'd never cross? Because that can certainly help.
      It won't make "sense" in a logical way but you might gain insight into his distorted thinking. Because that's usually what it comes down to -- distorted thinking. And sometimes not even articulated thoughts but just a reaction to someone else paying attention to them, making them feel young and exciting and interesting. Everything else fades. It's not so much the other person that matters as the feeling. They're chasing that sense of excitement.They're in a fog. And often when they wake up, they're as disgusted with themselves as we are.

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    2. Thanks so much for your response! When I first found out I asked him why and he said he liked the "chase" he also told me that he had been unhappy for a long time but never told me. When I asked him recently what he told himself to make crossing
      that line ok in his mind, he said that he looked at it like once I found out our marriage was over, so that made him feel like it was ok to continue to talk to her and see her behind my back. One day I had enough and told him that if he truly wanted to be with me he needed to cut all contact with her. I told him that if he truly didn't want to work things out that it was ok, but I was done playing games and I wasn't going to force him to be married to me. He messaged her that day and told her he didn't want to see or talk to her anymore and blocked her on all of his social media accounts along with her phone number. He said he looks back now and can't believe he did what he did and he said he feels so ashamed. Prior to all of this happening, we were really bad at communicating with each other. We ended up going to counseling and that has really helped us start communicating better. I feel like we have learned to have a discussion without it turning into a huge argument. Now we are honestly better than we ever have been. When I have a bad day I make sure to tell him how I'm feeling and he is really good about listening to my concerns. He tells me he is willing to do whatever it takes to earn my trust back. I feel like I still have my guard up, like I'm not ready to let him all of the way back in. It will be a year since I found out on the 13th of this month. I feel like maybe that's why I'm having a hard time lately because everything happened around this time last year.I look back at where we were a year ago and am happy with the growth and changes we have made. I asked him recently what made him fo from wanting to divorce me to wanting to work on us and he said one day something just clicked and he realized that I'm the most important person in his life and didn't want to lose me. I hate that I still think about it almost daily. I have been working from home since March because of the pandemic, and I think I spend too much time alone and my mind gets the best of me sometimes. Even with him giving me those reasons I just can't wrap my head around it... Thanks again for your response and for listening. I was so happy when I found this blog. There are so many things I can relate to on here!

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  16. I am 5 years post D Day tomorrow and still none the wiser. My husband was 56 yrs old we had been married 34yrs and he was sleeping with a 32 yr old woman from work. I still have bad days I struggle with him not only cheating but with someone two yrs older than our daughter. Yes we may have had problems I struggled with the menopause. What I wanted and needed was a supportive loving husband what I got was a liar thief and a cheat. Yes he had worked to try and better himself but he will never be what he was to me. I have given up trying to understand him he doesn’t know himself just felt lost not like me is his answer. I still dream of leaving and never say I will stay to him. At times I hate him for what he did to us, me. I know it was not about me but I know he forgot me to enable him to do what he did. When he watches the football and calls someone a cheat for diving I look and think he will never realise what he did. He lost so much and for what an ego boost madness

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    1. Luppylu,
      I'm so sorry that you're still in so much pain. It sounds as if he has done little to earn back your respect. May I ask why you are still there? Is it worth spending your life with someone who doesn't deserve this second chance?

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  17. I am too scared to leave at 58 I wouldn’t know how to start again. I have been with him since I was 17. To be honest it will always hurt with him or without him . In truth we are both broken

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  18. The OW messaged me on Facebook. She said that she didn't know if I would see it or not. Then she apologized for "all the pain and suffering I've felt over the last couple of years." She said she would not "make excuses" but I noticed she didn't take responsibility for it either. She asked if I could forgive her and offered to talk with me if I desired. Then she admitted to stalking me on facebook and reading my blog and noticed that her and I weren't all that different. Bull pukey! We are nothing alike! She has no moral compass. I do. She has no self-respect. I do. She does not fear God. I do. She is not the nicey, nicey person everyone thinks she is because she reamed me out on the phone once. I am genuine in my interactions with others. Then she told me that she knew "by the Spirit" that the Lord had good things in store for me. What? What Spirit? Not the Holy Spirit because He ain't talking to her except to tell her that she needs to know Him. She is a mental health counselor and knows how to use language that she thinks will connect with you that only speaks more of her insincerity. After reading it I felt that it wasn't really an apology. If it was she would have made sure I got it and she would have taken responsibility for her actions. It was just something she was doing to ease the conscience she must have obtained while reading in my blog how much of a wrecking ball she really was to my family and life. We lost everything because of the affair. I lost my job and my husband lost his life's work, the respect of his children and the community that we live in because it was big gossip all over town when people found out. One of my children got drunk because of it and blabbed it to someone who then told everyone we know. We're not welcome in some churches and I lost nearly all of my friends. It was only a miracle of God that my husband and I are trying to work it out and stay married. She is still married to her clueless husband, is graduating from college and has a job lined up and is on Facebook talking about how genuine and authentic she is. It's laughable. I just want to move to another town where no one knows us and start over. I'm 60 years old and nothing about my life feels normal and it should at my age.

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    1. The OW apologized to me for my husband being a cheater and the pain that might have caused me! since she thought she had no reason to take accountability for her role. Flyers were made an so was a website containing the whole dirty truth to he lies about me my marriage and her intentions with my husband and a fb page .

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