Monday, January 11, 2021

There's No Going Back to Normal: Infidelity Edition

It is a hard truth to swallow but: There won’t be a return to “normal.”

~Ekemini Uwan, "There's No Going Back to Normal", The Atlantic


I am awesome in a crisis. I am the one who takes stock of what's happening, calculates resources to deal with it, assigns responsibility to those available to deal with it. Later, I will weep. Later, I will curse the heavens. But now. Now, there's work to be done.

The crisis of New Year's Eve is receding. My daughter has support, both emotional and medical. My other daughter's lost cat, which seemed to amplify my sense of powerlessness in protecting my kids from pain, has returned home after five days of haunting my dreams. I can look around and admit that things feel mostly "normal".

But we all know that "normal" is an illusion, don't we? There is no "normal" after trauma, after betrayal, after such heartbreak. How things look to those on the outside simply doesn't match the change that has occurred on the inside. But it's crucial to remember: We have more control over the inside change than the outside change. Put another way, we don't control what happens to us but we have some control over how we respond to it.

I say some control because trauma sometimes takes the wheel. That heart-pounding tunnel vision "ohmygoditshappeningagain" is not easily controlled, at least not without therapy and strategies and practice.

Normal appeals to us exactly because it implies an erasure of what took place. Normal promises us that the pain is gone, that the threat has been removed. Which is why it's so deceptive. The threat was always there, even when we didn't recognize it. Not to sound sinister but ...people can betray us. We know that now. And there is no unknowing it.

But accepting that reality, as Ekemini Uwan writes, is not to be confused with approval of it. She's writing about our new Covid-colored reality of lockdowns, and Zoom meetings, and isolation. But it's just as true of the days following betrayal. We must grieve the loss of our old "normal" even as we accept that there is not going back to it. And, if we're honest, do we want to? Just as before Covid relegated us to watching life happen on TV, there were uncomfortable truths we were ignoring. Racial injustice, economic inequality. A frenetic pace that was making a whole lot of physically and psychically ill. Do we really want that again? Or do we want to build an intentional...something...in its place.

I chose the latter. Once I accepted that my old normal, which included me overlooking a lot of painful things, wasn't an option, I set out to create a marriage that felt better. It started with insisting my husband no longer schedule evening meetings with clients. It included my husband being home for dinner with me and our children at least five nights a week. It meant no more work trips without discussing them with me first. I looked at things I had been tolerating in the spirit of "partnership" and "compromise" but that were actually a betrayal of my own values, that were about poor boundaries disguised as being "easy-going". 

Uwan puts it like this: "...radical acceptance is not a call to stoicism. An array of emotions (anger, fear, anxiety, grief, etc.) may arise within you in response to reality. Suppressing these emotions can be tempting, but allowing yourself to feel whatever you feel without judgment is also a kind of radical acceptance. And I have found that radical acceptance can be freeing—accepting what you cannot change enables you to focus on what you can."

We cannot change that we're in the midst of a devastating global pandemic. We cannot change that our marriage has been injured by infidelity. But we can give ourselves permission to feel the pain around that reality while accepting it anyway. 

Only then can we focus on what can grow from the ashes of what's been destroyed.





26 comments:

  1. It took me a long while to accept what had happened. My brain just couldn't process that my H didn't have the same moral code as me. Having lived with him for 30 years I assumed we were the same in terms of the choices we might make, I thought I knew him so well I took it for granted that even if he was unhappy and an opportunity arose his conscience would force him to talk to me...but of course I was wrong.
    I still struggle with that a little, how wrong could I be about someone I love? What happened to that conscience of his?
    I guess it's why we find this whole infidelity nightmare so devastating, we feel we just don't know them, that our lives are a lie.
    Now he says he finds it hard to believe he was that man, it was so out of character, (it was) yet the reality (my reality) is he was that man.
    22 months on I have finally accepted it, I know I can't change what happened (18 month casual sexual arrangement with a 'friend' from his amateur dramatics group) and acceptance does feel liberating, for me it was also the realisation that I had nothing to do with his choices, it took me while to get that.
    I still feel angry at times, sad and hurt despite all the work he has done on himself and for us. I know it's all normal to feel these things and I put no time limit on my recovery. This site, Elle and all the wonderful contributors who've had their hearts broken help so much, thank you. Caroline x

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    1. Caroline,
      I've struggled with that too. What was particularly surprising to me was that my husband took great umbrage to being called a "cheater" and a "liar", insisting that he never "lied to my clients or my friends". No...he just lied to me. Such compartmentalization freaked me out. That he could see himself as an honest, moral person, all while he cheated on me was staggering to me. Now I better understand that he had completely compartmentalized.
      Now, of course, he better understands himself and why/how he did what he did.
      I'm so glad you can see that his choices were never about you. And feeling angry sometimes makes total sense. Betrayal is a deep wound.
      Thanks for your kind words re. this site. All of you, who come here and share your pain and your wisdom, make this site what it is.

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  2. Truer words have never been put on paper. I now understand through acceptance that I will always looked at things through a darker lens where I once was more optimistic. Merely 7 months removed from the WORST DAY OF MY LIFE, I am still trying to cope with the fact that the pain and triggers may NEVER go away. The scary part is the reality of having to live with that pain indefinitely. I would not wish this upon my greatest for.

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  3. This post speaks to where I am at at the minute. Almost 3 years post dday. I feel that the deep deep dredging of SA, childhood experiences and traumas etc has eased somewhat, I find that I am having to try and break my 'habit' of thinking about it so much, tricky. Also, I am frequently experiencing periods of time where I struggle to remember what my relationship with my H felt like pre dday. Elle, you are right in that I can clearly say that there have been many things that I tolerated in the name of being easy going and liberal etc that I absolutely would not tolerate now, my boundaries are pretty clear these days, as is my sense of self. However, I am finding it odd that I cannot really 'feel' what my relationship was before. Like i ask myself (and sometimes my H) what did we used to be like? y'know, when we didn't constantly talk about SA and betrayal and pain and issues issues issues!? What does it feel like to be in a relationship that is not existing out of a bombsite. Like the 12 years prior to dday culminated in his sex craziness and now it grows out of it....like its this pinnacle, which annoys me, it annoys me that the central point of our whole life together lies in a meaningless sexual thrill with a nobody (to put it kindly!).
    I think that some of this odd feeling is that maybe my grieving is passing and I'm 'on the other side' of it. Like how you eventually get over the end of a relationship and move on. But I'm still here with him, we are still close etc.
    I still have to be mindful of CPTSD and triggers and all that comes with it but there are few questions that require answers now and sometimes it's even exciting to continue discovering ourselves as individuals and as a couple. But it feels weird, life, love...kinda undefined.

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    1. Your comment "it annoys me that the central point of our whole life together lies in a meaningless sexual thrill with a nobody" - I feel completely the same way. When I look at pictures or recall memories or trips... I automatically think pre or post betrayal period. My husband realizes I am doing it to because I get the look of sadness he says. He tells he wishes we could go back to normal. Sorry you ruined that. My story is a little different. We were married 5 years, no children at the time and he cheated. He paid for sex (1x), bj (1x) and hand jobs at AMPs. This was from 2009-2012 and just told me in May 2020. He says it was such a long time ago, may be for you but it just happened for me.

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  4. Hello. I don't know if this is proper for me to post and I apologize if it is not. I am a husband; a betrayer.

    I did not have a physical relationship with another woman. Over the course of 2-3 months, in 2019, I texted and flirted with a coworker. Please bear with me and do not pass judgement as I try to explain - not make excuses - but explain. I still, to this day do not know exactly why I did it. I never planned for it to go any further than some "fun" texting and it never did. I was not going to leave my wife or start a new life, or fall in love, and none of those things happened. I ended the texting and life went on. Being married to my wife of 17 years is all that I want. We also have 3 daughters. The last few years have been rough and stressful for both of us due to certain circumstances in our life (not the texting I mentioned before). After the texting/flirting stopped my wife saw the text messages. That was not a good day for either of us. Things appeared to be ok for the next several months. We bought a house, bought a car, were happy, everything was good. Then around Halloween of 2020 it came back up again. She is very hurt as you would expect. She feels like she has lost all sense of safety, security, and trust in me and rightfully so. I was dishonest and betrayed her trust. We have been trying to sort things out over the last three months. There has been alot of days filled with crying, screaming, hugging, and kissing. We have had alot of bad days with some good ones sprinkled in there as well. She wakes up everyday feeling sadness. Things are better on the weekends because we are together but when I am at work, during the week, things are hard. We work opposite schedules so I only see her for a few days a week. Other than that we talk through texting or over the phone.

    I am deeply sorry for the pain I caused her. I feel immensely guilty and am filled with regret. I hate myself for making her feel sad everyday.

    Regardless of the outcome of our marriage I will regret my actions for the rest of my life.

    My sole goal is to show her through my actions and words that she can trust me again and that we can recover from this. I know it will be hard and could take a long time. She knows it will be hard and take a long time and she is not sure if she wants to put in the work even though I want her to so badly. I cannot choose for her, I cannot tell her what to do, I cannot make her stay but I desperately want that. I am 100% confident that if she chose to stay our relationship will be so much stronger and better. But again, that is what I think. It all comes down to her choice and regardless of what she chooses, regardless of what the outcome is, I will be ok with it and respect it but I sure do pray that she chooses to stay with me.

    I am not looking for sympathy or pity, I guess I just want to know if it IS possible to recover from this? Am I totally wrong in thinking that our connection and our love is just bent but not broken? Is that just a wish that can never come true? Is it possible? Thank you for reading.

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    1. I think this blog with wonderful Elle and all the other warriors proves best that you can recover from betrayal. It is a long and terrible storm though, but it is possible.

      The fact that you have found this place shows that you are trying to understand, trying to seek help for your wife and also for you. And I value this highly.

      Your post touched me in a way and I thought I like to share my story with you. Maybe it helps.

      My husband had an emotional affair with a coworker which lasted for 16 months and it started with “innocent” texting. Unfortunately, there was this one evening, a work party, where they ended up going home together having a last drink in a bar. Feeling already close through texting, they confided in each other that night and the whole affair took off.

      Now looking back my husband has understood that the whole affair was about escaping. He wasn´t able to deal with all the big challenges in his life back then. Having a new demanding job, his best friends moving to different continents, becoming a father. The whole affair was an escape from his everyday life. In this little affair bubble he was able to forget about all his problems and enjoy some affection, attention, understanding. His real problem – as a side note - he has never really learned how to apply healthy coping mechanisms.

      However, you did not go that far. You were able to pull it off very early and I respect you for that. Not everyone has the strength to do so but you did.

      Nevertheless, you have crossed the line! My husband told me that he knew exactly that sending each other messages was already wrong, that he overstepped a big big red line. But he liked waking up in the morning knowing a sweet message awaits him. It was the anticipation and the extra attention and excitement he liked. Now he knows that sending and receiving those messages numbed all his little sorrows for a little while. That´s all.

      To understand why my husband did what he did helped me a lot in my healing process.

      You wrote that you do not know exactly why you did it. But is this enough? Isn´t it your turn now to really figure out why you did what you did?

      One last question. How was your wife able to find those text messages – did you want her to find them? Just wondering if it was a cry for help?

      All the best.

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    2. Thank you so much for your response. I take solace in knowing that recovery is possible. Thank you for sharing your story as well. I must admit I did shed some tears reading it (I am a bit emotional about everything right now) and also just for the simple fact that you responded.

      This morning was a very emotional morning for us. I swear I have never cried as much in my entire life as I have in the last 3 months. I have also felt emotions that I have never really felt before. The feeling of being powerless, completely powerless is something I would never wish upon my worst enemy. I would never wish any of the emotions my wife is feeling or I am feeling on anyone else. It is utterly terrible.

      Friday night was a good night. We went out to dinner; my wife, my kids, and I. We ended it with good conversation and she read to me from the bible for a bit. I am not a spiritual person, and never have been but I have prayed every night.

      To answer your question, my wife had lost her phone so she needed to use mine. She looked at my texts and saw the exchange. Correct, I did not delete them. Cry for help? Maybe I never thought she would need to use my phone. Maybe subconsciously I wanted her to find them.

      May I ask you why you chose to stay with your husband? Why did you make that choice instead of the alternative? How were you able to trust him again? That is the hardest part for us. Everything I say at the moment is viewed as a lie or an attempt at manipulation to get what I want. She is right to feel that way because I was not honest but when does that change?

      I will not stop showing her love through my actions and my words. Selfishly I get frustrated when she doesn't believe me. Selfishly I get angry when she throws it in my face. I am hurt because of the hurt I have caused. I am sad because of the sadness I have inflicted. My feelings are important too, right? Maybe not at this moment, but they are important.

      Every time she yells at me and every name she calls me is deserved. I did a terrible thing but I am not a terrible person.

      Wow. I feel so lost. She does too.

      It is a horrifying feeling to know that I am unable to comfort her. I try. I try everyday to tell her it will be okay and that things will get better. I will be better. I will do the work needed to become a better husband and father. I will do whatever is necessary.

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    3. Anonymous,
      Those who cause pain are often IN pain. It sounds as though you're willing to do the hard work of figuring out why your risked everything that mattered for someone that didn't. There is lots of info on this site that will lend insight into your wife's agony but her pain is hers alone. Listen to her. Let her tell you about her pain without getting defensive. Just listen, trusting that creating space for her to tell you is opening your heart to hers. When you two can be allies in rebuilding trust and friendship, then you begin to heal together.
      And to Breathe: Thank-you for reaching out and sharing your own story. This is how we heal. By listening and sharing.

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  5. Please read the comments on this site yes there is hope you will be able to get over this. But your wife may never forget it will take time for her to trust you and feel safe. You have to put in a lot of work to help her. I would say show her what you have posted here I would love my husband to be able to articulate so sincerely. My husband actually went the whole way started with texts led to a full blown affair even staying over the night lying to me out with the lads. It is the most painful experience not just the sex. The lies hurt more. Knowing you thought your husband was busy at work but no he was acting up texting messages that should have been things husband and wife shared. You don’t need to have sex to bring another person into a relationship. I hope your wife is able to find comfort and makes a decision that is right for her. Give her time show her love and how sorry you are. I hope you learn from this having someone love and trust you is amazing and should never be taken for granted.

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  6. The normal that we liked turned out to be inauthentic. As my ex told me- we were fine before you found out. What th?! What a logic twist.

    To me, it's more that we want to feel loved and treasured and valued and respected...and know it's true.

    My ex prefers his sex addicted-life, so I know I will NEVER have it with him. And now I doubt that anyone who has been intimately betrayed, gaslit, manipulated, disrespected, and devalued would ever feel as safe with the jerk who did that versus with someone else who does not have that shared history. The body will always remember the past at least.

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  7. Thank you for responding. I truly appreciate it.

    I will give her all the time she needs. Because recovery and staying together is what I am looking for I will do whatever I have to.

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  8. Mr. Anon above, This trauma coming back to her is normal I think. Please, for both your sake, let her say what she needs to say and listen closely. And listen behind the anger, the love is there I bet. Trauma goes so deep, she is doubting that the sun coming up each morning is true. Like her world has been a lie, that she is not worth the time of day. My husband would not listen and in fact tried to say I was responsible and put terrible images in my head that I fear will never go away. After 1.5 yrs, I have been dx'd with PTSD by 1 MD & 2 therapists. I am so afraid of what I am capable of when triggered.
    If she truly loves you and you love her, don't expect forgiveness, that's up to her. But, do all you can to earn it and earn her trust and respect, prove she is more important to you than anything in the world (except your own self-care). Hold her when she is out of control, if she gets that far. If my H had done that I perhaps would have still been able to work. I had to go off because of the PTSD. I would have been building a better life with him. I always told him that the amount of feelings on this side (anguish) is not as much as the love on the other side. I fear the things he has said and done since DDay have diminished the love. Don't let that happen to you.
    As we do at New Years, Out with the old and in with the new. Marriage that is. Hard to let go, I know. 43 years now for me.
    Please come, read, post whenever you need. Invite your wife so she can see that there are hundreds of us Warriors who are trying to survive and hundreds more who have survived. Thank you for posting.

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  9. Thank you for this post. I recently (July 2020) found out my husband was unfaithful to me. It was one occasion, but it still happened. I thought I was being the “perfect wife”, always making space and making excuses for bad behaviour because I wanted to be that chill wife who everyone likes. My parents split up due to infidelity when I was 8, and I swore I would never be as “stupid” as my mom. I would see it coming and I would NEVER stick around. Yet here I am, sticking around and feeling pretty stupid. My husband was so apologetic for a solid two weeks, but now life has just returned to normal and if I try to bring up my hurt feelings, I’m being told to quit bringing up the past. That he has “shown he is remorseful and doesn’t know what more he can do”. Today, he asked me if he was a good husband and I kind of rolled my eyes and said yeah you’re a good husband. Then he strutted around the kitchen saying “I’m not a good husband, I’m a great husband”. I told him later that that is upsetting to me, and a “great” husband would never do what he did. I just want him to be humble and remorseful. I’m trying so hard to see this thing through for my two little boys, but it gets harder and I get more and more angry when my feelings are cast aside. I don’t know how you do it - sending you so much love and strength.

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    1. Anonymous,
      I'm so sorry for what you're going through. What your husband is doing is NOT okay. No, he's not a good husband. He's not listening to you, he's not doing the work of really interrogating himself about why he cheated and he's asking YOU for affirmation and support when HE should be the one giving that to you.
      Are you two in counselling? If not, I would urge you to find someone. And I would encourage you to seek out individual therapy. This likely retriggered a whole lot of old pain from your parents' divorce/infidelty. You need a safe space to work through your own pain and to learn how to set clear boundaries around what you will and will not tolerate in your marriage now.

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  10. Yesterday, I found out my husband is having and emotional affair with a coworker. I found a pack of unopen condoms in his car. He swears he hasn't have sex wirh her( i dont believe him). The shocking part is that he blames me. Things have been very cold in our marriage since last Summer. I have noticed changes in him, but never suspected anything. This guy that barely talks to me on the phone, have phone calls ranging from 10 -81 minutes with this woman. I'm angry, heartbroken, and thinking of leaving him. Please, help!

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    1. I am so sorry for the pain you're in. Please know you are NOT to blame for his decision to cheat, whether it was a physical affair or an emotional one. Cheating is cheating. Betrayal is betrayal.
      People who get involved with other people often rewrite history -- suddenly their marriage was awful, their wife was frigid, etc. They blow things out of proportion or misinterpret things so that they don't have to feel guilty about what they're doing.
      This might be what happened with your husband.
      Unless he's willing to really examine why he cheated and commit to making your marriage better, then there's not much you can do except either accept things for what they are or make plans to leave.
      In the meantime, I hope you'll find a therapist who can help you process the pain of betrayal and sort through next steps. You didn't deserve this. Please don't let him deflect responsibility.

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  11. I am so glad to have found this site... hearing other people's stories is great support.

    I has been 6 weeks since I found out my husband was having an affair for 8 months. Sadly I found out from my 10 year old daughter who had seen the text messages and came to me to say "I think daddy has a girlfriend". My whole life collapsed and right now I am in between making a the decision to leave him or stay. He says he is keen to save our marriage and that he is glad that he has been exposed because it will allow us to work on our problems for a better marriage, but I also think he thinks I am going to get over this so quickly and that I have to stop dwelling on the past and looking towards our future. That is pretty hard when you are the one with the smashed heart.

    I am currently taking some time away staying with a friend. There are days when I think we could possibly make this work, but then there are days when I feel that I should give up now as just move on rather than delaying a terrible outcome. I do not want to be hurt anymore.

    So I keep asking myself, should I give this another go or cut my losses and move on. I don't trust him but do see huge efforts from his side to try and get things better.

    Unfortunately, "she" cannot leave our life as they do business together.

    This is the hardest thing I have ever gone through in my life and I am so concerned about our girls, especially because they knew before me.

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    1. Anonymous, There is no easy answer. You have to do what feels the right thing for you. And I know that can feel so "muddy" at the start. Giving yourself time to think it through is a good thing. So often we think we need to make an immediate decision but it can take months to process things and really know what path feels right.
      In the meantime, you will either see positive change in him as he, too, works through what he did; or you won't see change, which might help you make your decision.
      I'm so sorry for your daughter too. I hope you both have lots of support, including a good therapist.

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  12. I found out a month ago my husband has been talking and sexting with another woman. He says they never had sex. We’ve been together 8 years and married for 3. He cheated on me 6 months into our relationship and we got past that. But now I feel like our whole relationship has been a lie and I feel like I don’t even know him. How do I know he hasn’t been cheating the entire time? He says he hasn’t but I can’t believe him. I feel like our marriage is ruined and it will never be the same again. I want to stay together but I don’t know if I can get past this. I find myself questioning everything he does or says. I don’t know if I can ever trust him again. I feel so hurt and so broken.

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    1. I'm so sorry, JessieJ.
      Give yourself time to figure out your next right step. You do not need to know right now.
      Is he seeking help to figure out why he has cheated (twice)? Is he willing to do the hard work of figuring out why he keeps risking what matters to him?
      As for whether your marriage is ruined, I think we all feel that at first. But it's possible to rebuild a marriage that feels meaningful and healthy. But it takes two. And it takes a real reckoning on his part. I hope he's up to it.

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  13. Can anyone tell me is it "normal" for the cheater to not discuss what he is talking about in therapy? How do I know if he's actually trying to heal his problems? He won't even admit why he cheated yet. Tells me he doesn't know. I'm trying to decide if I can forgive and move on.

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    1. Anonymous,
      As uncomfortable as it is for you, yes it's normal and, indeed, healthy. What happens in therapy, for him and for your own, is private. It's a safe place to explore feelings and actions and ultimately get to know ourselves better.
      You will either see change in him that bodes well for your marriage or you won't. And that will determine whether or not you are willing to give him a second chance. What he talks about ultimately matters less than the person he is in your marriage. If he is humbled, remorseful, genuinely aware of the pain he's caused and willing to be transparent about where he is, what he's doing, etc., then that's all you'll need.

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    2. Anon 2 - 14

      You do not have to forgive him to move on. I ahve found that is something I am not ready to even address at nearly 2 years out. Forgiveness is for you, not him. Your heart might not be able to forgive or might only be able to partially forgive. And that is totally fine.

      Please don't push that. Please just watch and take care of yourself. He and he alone will show you if it might be worth thinking about forgiving him. Think of ME and not WE. I feel all your pains, really. We are all here because we did not know what to do with all these terrible feelings. You are in good hands with all of these mighty Warriors.

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  14. Yesterday, I found out my husband of 15 years is cheating on me. And even though last year I thought we worked on our issues (he left me during the start of the pandemic because he couldnt handle me stressing out, I forgave him), he said he has 2nd thoughts about staying with me. He said he wants to 'find himself' before he can stay. Yep no probs. What about this broken heart of mine? No biggie... He is not a great father, a terrible provider and an okay husband. But... my chest cavity still feels like there are a thousand bullets just decaying there, oozing pus and blood. Damn it hurts. F U infidelity. F U cheater!!!

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  15. I know this is for betrayed wives but after reading, I couldn't help but comment. Hopefully this helps some of you to ease the pain and see the severity in a different light. My wife has borderline personality disorder and that makes my case wildly different. 1 year ago I caught my wife in an affair with her doctor...in exchange for drugs. They had sex twice. I turned him in and he lost his license in two states permanently. We supposedly got on the right path following the discovery. Ups and downs ensued..I caught my wife 5 months after on a dating site to which she explained it away...my foolishness. Blinded by love and not wanting to become my father to my two boys. More ups and downs ensued. 6 days ago I found a burner phone in her purse. Further explanation and lies. She said "no" to handing the phone over, I turned my back to pace the hallway, and I hear her on the back porch smashing the phone with a meat mallet. I told her to "get the f**k out!". She didn't listen. I told her to "put the f**king phone on the table or get out of my life forever". She complied and realized my seriousness but was under the impression the phone was completely destroyed. More lies about the phone..more bulls**t. Over the next few days she didn't realize I bought the parts necessary to fix the phone. Spent time doing that and was successful. Looked through it and this is what I found. She was speaking to 24 different men, spoke sexually to many of them, went on 4 dates with one of them, 2 dates with another, cam chatted with one of them. The worst part, she had sex 4 times with a different one. My mind and heart were and are BLOWN. She turned into a prostitute and risked EVERYTHING. Sooo many lies and deceit. Drove past the house while I'm in here with our boys to go have sex with someone. I offered each man the same thing.. to stop or square it away with me like they did in the old days. I was praying one of them would say yes. They didn't. That made me feel powerful when this has made me feel so small. Many were married themselves. I will not trust humans in general for a long while. Currently practicing "radical acceptance". Her entire world and tone has changed. She has finally realized the hurt she has caused and has showed that to me. Finally admitted to being absolutely certain to having BPD. She has been Jekyll and Hyde . I have loved Jekyll..so much but after this shit show of a year, realize how deep my hate and hurt go for Hyde.

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